No one is questioning the effectiveness of strikes to the liver. It’s a great target. We’re disputing the effectiveness of strikes from bottom of mount.Watch both videos, video number 1
Video number 2
No one is questioning the effectiveness of strikes to the liver. It’s a great target. We’re disputing the effectiveness of strikes from bottom of mount.Watch both videos, video number 1
Video number 2
Against a half decent fighter, he would have had one or both elbows attacked, Placing his arms on the floor will give him stability, but locking the elbows, that's asking for trouble, and the space left for his opponent to move their shoulders, I am confident, I could competently strike the liver, or quickly escape or reverse the mount.As opposed to downward elbows from mount?
That’s an interesting theory. Good news - it’s fairly easy to test. Just find a BJJ school and ask a BJJ black belt to put you in that position and see whether you are able to effectively strike or quickly escape the mount. (Discuss the striking beforehand or you may be in for some unfortunate consequences.)Against a half decent fighter, he would have had one or both elbows attacked, Placing his arms on the floor will give him stability, but locking the elbows, that's asking for trouble, and the space left for his opponent to move their shoulders, I am confident, I could competently strike the liver, or quickly escape or reverse the mount.
True, but in this case Gweilo is talking about regular “sporting” striking methods that are totally legal in MMA and normal sparring. The ideas he’s proposing have been thoroughly tested and have not fared well.I'm probably going to make myself unpopular here, but....
In my experience:
a) Grapplers tend to underestimate the effectiveness of non-sporting striking methods in grappling. This is because mostly their experience is based on MMA which has some limitations like gloves and disallowed targets
and
b) Non-grapplers tend to overestimate the effectiveness of non-sporting striking methods in grappling. This is because these kind of strikes really only buy you a little space and time against a skilled grappler, which is very helpful if you are also a competent grappler, but utterly useless (even counter productive) if you don't have the core skills to capitalise on this small opportunity
True, but in this case Gweilo is talking about regular “sporting” striking methods that are totally legal in MMA and normal sparring. The ideas he’s proposing have been thoroughly tested and have not fared well.
Even grapplers sometimes make that second error, when discussing defenses against positions they don't practice. I remember being taught some "defenses" from mount involving strikes that I doubt would even work in the dojo if you tried to actually use them - just not enough leverage to make them count.I'm probably going to make myself unpopular here, but....
In my experience:
a) Grapplers tend to underestimate the effectiveness of non-sporting striking methods in grappling. This is because mostly their experience is based on MMA which has some limitations like gloves and disallowed targets
and
b) Non-grapplers tend to overestimate the effectiveness of non-sporting striking methods in grappling. This is because these kind of strikes really only buy you a little space and time against a skilled grappler, which is very helpful if you are also a competent grappler, but utterly useless (even counter productive) if you don't have the core skills to capitalise on this small opportunity
I'm probably going to make myself unpopular here, but....
In my experience:
a) Grapplers tend to underestimate the effectiveness of non-sporting striking methods in grappling. This is because mostly their experience is based on MMA which has some limitations like gloves and disallowed targets
and
b) Non-grapplers tend to overestimate the effectiveness of non-sporting striking methods in grappling. This is because these kind of strikes really only buy you a little space and time against a skilled grappler, which is very helpful if you are also a competent grappler, but utterly useless (even counter productive) if you don't have the core skills to capitalise on this small opportunity
Against a half decent fighter, he would have had one or both elbows attacked, Placing his arms on the floor will give him stability, but locking the elbows, that's asking for trouble, and the space left for his opponent to move their shoulders, I am confident, I could competently strike the liver, or quickly escape or reverse the mount.
Thank you. I am planning on making more videos. Is there any technique or position you think people would want to see done in a similar style?
You can Phoenix fist the ribs from underneath in MMA though. There is no restrictions on hand shape or striking method unless you are eyegouging.
Just a quick question about this choke hold, the camera angle does not show the side of your opponents hand that tapped, what is protecting your left side ribs, whilst you are applying the choke, from your opponents right fist, I could not see if you trapped the arm, until the choke was on, or your opponents right arm is free throughout the technique.
@Headhunter Are you saying Jiu jitsu folk don't protect thre liver?
IMHO, when the tap comes, the tap is to the rear of the ribs, I believe this is enough space to attack the liver or lower ribs.
I think you misunderstand the context of this choke. I really meant this as a sporting Jiu-Jitsu technique. We are both wearing gis (which is more ideal for the application of this choke, though it can be modified for street clothes).If it was the left hand side, I would agree, but not the right hand side, I would rather take a full on smack to the solar plex, rather than a good strike to the liver, a knuckle strike or a phoenix eye punch to the liver can be delivered, from a very short distance, even a palm strike to the liver is crippling, and with a tap to the rear of the ribs, leaves the kidneys open to a hammer fist.all hurt, and all are game enders, all can be acheived from short distance.
Yeap...so many think BJJ has no striking. And in competition only training that may well be so and there are a lot of competition only schools out there. Just as in Judo most think there is no striking in Judo. Judo has it however, it is not allowed in competition.Just adding to Ybot’s explanation (which I totally agree with)...
In the context of an actual fight, the classic BJJ doctrine would be to achieve the mount, inflict damage with strikes from top mount first, and then go for the choke or armlock.