Bo Staff Training Vlog (Demo)

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Ok, the sped-up footage makes it annoying to watch.

Aren’t you a wing Chun guy? Is this bo material Japanese or Okinawan? Honestly, it seemed like fancy flash, not what I would expect to see from legitimate kobudo sources.

You need some instruction. If this was “inspired” by a visit to a kobudo source, you aren’t doing it any justice. It looks to me like you were just twirling and playing.
 
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Ok, the sped-up footage makes it annoying to watch.

Aren’t you a wing Chun guy? Is this bo material Japanese or Okinawan? Honestly, it seemed like fancy flash, not what I would expect to see from legitimate kobudo sources.

You need some instruction. If this was “inspired” by a visit to a kobudo source, you aren’t doing it any justice. It looks to me like you were just twirling and playing.

The experience that inspired this was simply a Cultural family festival, which I attended as a family outing. ;)

I use a lot of flairs when practicing bo staff performance.

The main inspirations behind this performance come from my experiences with 'Wing Chun' (Shaolin Based Kung Fu), QiGong (Wudang based Kung fu), and Karate (Shoto-Kai). However, it is important to mention that I am just expressing my own style with my performance material.

I would accept some additional bo staff instruction or tips, I'm always learning! :bookworm: (especially Kobudo technique in this case).

The material for the staff used in this video is untreated hard-wood from China, I believe.
 

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Ok, the sped-up footage makes it annoying to watch.

Aren’t you a wing Chun guy? Is this bo material Japanese or Okinawan? Honestly, it seemed like fancy flash, not what I would expect to see from legitimate kobudo sources.

You need some instruction. If this was “inspired” by a visit to a kobudo source, you aren’t doing it any justice. It looks to me like you were just twirling and playing.
I think he's more into entertainment and showmanship more than martial arts. He likes the way it looks and not necessarily looking for any function to come out of it. Or at least that's what I picked up from this statement "I am just expressing my own style with my performance material."

The staff flowering and stances pretty much "sing the same tune".

I tried to get a little conversation going with him in his sparring video but it was like pulling teeth lol. Normally, people would have been happy to talk about the sparring they did. But that conversation never came out.
 
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I think he's more into entertainment and showmanship more than martial arts. He likes the way it looks and not necessarily looking for any function to come out of it. Or at least that's what I picked up from this statement "I am just expressing my own style with my performance material."

The staff flowering and stances pretty much "sing the same tune".

I tried to get a little conversation going with him in his sparring video but it was like pulling teeth lol. Normally, people would have been happy to talk about the sparring they did. But that conversation never came out.

I am very much interested in performance yet it is not the only thing that I am interested in. This video is performance of martial arts techniques. Striking is involved. Lots of flairs in this video, yes. And I don’t know what else to say but that I’m interested in approaching the material which I choose to demonstrate from an entertainer’s perspective rather than someone who is teaching self-defense online.
 

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I am very much interested in performance yet it is not the only thing that I am interested in. This video is performance of martial arts techniques. Striking is involved. Lots of flairs in this video, yes. And I don’t know what else to say but that I’m interested in approaching the material which I choose to demonstrate from an entertainer’s perspective rather than someone who is teaching self-defense online.
If you are performing it, would you like to have some technical accuracy with it?
 
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What is the purpose of this bo work?

Thanks for your interest. This is just a bit of training for switching stances and flowing with different strikes and techniques.

And I appreciate the feedback from everyone so far.
P.s. I sped it up to be able to provide more techniques in the video.
 
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If you are performing it, would you like to have some technical accuracy with it?

That is why a train. I’m open to DM if you would like to take this discussion there as to discuss my level. I don’t feel that it would be appropriate or necessary to continue this discussion on the thread. Thank you!
 

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I don’t know what else to say but that I’m interested in approaching the material which I choose to demonstrate from an entertainer’s perspective rather than someone who is teaching self-defense online.
No need to say anything else. You are straight forward about what your interest in Martial arts and I appreciate that more than you know.

I will give some warning on some of the stuff that you are doing. You want to at least get your stances correct as you would from a self-defense perspective. The reason I say this is because you can really do some damage to your knees if you have bad stances. So just from a safety perspective, get those stances to be functional. But other than that. Keep enjoying what you do.
 
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I would like to give a more detailed overview of the benefits of this training however this training is part of my Stunt Troupe which is private as such that type of discourse is typically reserved for members.

Here are a few bulletpoints on the subject:

-Flairs are for switching hands and sides or staff position
-Spinning is made up of rapid flairs in succession
-Spinning is a good wrist exercise (not to be overworked)
-each flair can be turned into a strike or block
-stuntmen use ‘beats’ in order to perform stunts hence I work to a beat
-striking from different positions and with different motions produce different techniques
-as noted by others stance training is not to be overworked
-my troupe trains ‘Monkey King’ as the main act
-spinning can attract attention
-as far as martial arts applicability this style is not necessarily a ‘safe’ style but it can be used at close range and it may keep the opponent guessing to a high degree. (I.e. highly unpredictable)
-this is just a video of myself training after a family outing when the babies were asleep (I’m a dad)
 
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I'm glad you enjoy swinging a staff around the house and can do so without breaking things. I like doing that too, and I haven't broken anything lately. Hope I didn't just jinx myself!:D

Other than that, I'm heading pretty much in the opposite direction with my staff work. I keep trimming it down and making it more and more simple, functional, and hopefully, powerful. I favor a double palm-down boxer's grip, a southpaw boxing stance ("power side forward"), and direct, repeated hits and thrusts powered by my whole body ...and with no twirls. Just what i enjoy. :)
 
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I'm glad you enjoy swinging a staff around the house and can do so without breaking things. I like doing that too, and I haven't broken anything lately. Hope I didn't just jinx myself!:D

I take GREAT PRIDE in this! :smuggrin:
(now I've done it...)

More Power is always good!!! I won't get into it too much, but I'm sure some of you can think of how these moves can be used, in addition to the striking capabilities.

(I can pull up a clip or do more work in my close-quarters alley if anyone is interested in seeing this.)
 
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I would like to give a more detailed overview of the benefits of this training however this training is part of my Stunt Troupe which is private as such that type of discourse is typically reserved for members.

Here are a few bulletpoints on the subject:

-Flairs are for switching hands and sides or staff position
-Spinning is made up of rapid flairs in succession
-Spinning is a good wrist exercise (not to be overworked)
-each flair can be turned into a strike or block
-stuntmen use ‘beats’ in order to perform stunts hence I work to a beat
-striking from different positions and with different motions produce different techniques
-as noted by others stance training is not to be overworked
-my troupe trains ‘Monkey King’ as the main act
-spinning can attract attention
-as far as martial arts applicability this style is not necessarily a ‘safe’ style but it can be used at close range and it may keep the opponent guessing to a high degree. (I.e. highly unpredictable)
-this is just a video of myself training after a family outing when the babies were asleep (I’m a dad)
I would reach out to these guys and get some advice from them.
MartialClub

They can probably provide some useful information to help you.. I would also probably start looking to get into a Wushu School in your area. Out of all the Martial Arts systems out there it is the most "flowery" meaning that in terms of entertainment it's the system that has all of the exciting moves.

The problem you are going to get yourself into "you are already there in my opinion" is that anyone who has studied martial arts will look at your performance and say "That's not how you do it." For example, when I watched you use the staff, the first thing that came to my mind was that the stance was bad. I didn't look at anything else because the stance stood out so much, that it made me blind to anything else you were doing. I think there is something like 3 million people in the U.S. that takes or trains martial arts. It's probably higher because the Internet makes it easier to access martial arts. There are hundreds of videos on stances just alone. So if you get that wrong, it won't take long for people to find out.

This video may help you. I really don't think you can short cut martial arts techniques even if it's just for performance. Many stuntmen and actors who do martial art stunts usually have training in a martial arts. My big thing are stances because a bad stance can literally destroy your knees. It's easy to do when it comes to martial arts.
 

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I would reach out to these guys and get some advice from them.
MartialClub

They can probably provide some useful information to help you.. I would also probably start looking to get into a Wushu School in your area. Out of all the Martial Arts systems out there it is the most "flowery" meaning that in terms of entertainment it's the system that has all of the exciting moves.

The problem you are going to get yourself into "you are already there in my opinion" is that anyone who has studied martial arts will look at your performance and say "That's not how you do it." For example, when I watched you use the staff, the first thing that came to my mind was that the stance was bad. I didn't look at anything else because the stance stood out so much, that it made me blind to anything else you were doing. I think there is something like 3 million people in the U.S. that takes or trains martial arts. It's probably higher because the Internet makes it easier to access martial arts. There are hundreds of videos on stances just alone. So if you get that wrong, it won't take long for people to find out.

This video may help you. I really don't think you can short cut martial arts techniques even if it's just for performance. Many stuntmen and actors who do martial art stunts usually have training in a martial arts. My big thing are stances because a bad stance can literally destroy your knees. It's easy to do when it comes to martial arts.
I’ve got a private conversation going with him, sharing some of these kinds of things. Helping him navigate the issues.
 
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I would reach out to these guys and get some advice from them.
MartialClub

They can probably provide some useful information to help you.. I would also probably start looking to get into a Wushu School in your area. Out of all the Martial Arts systems out there it is the most "flowery" meaning that in terms of entertainment it's the system that has all of the exciting moves.

The problem you are going to get yourself into "you are already there in my opinion" is that anyone who has studied martial arts will look at your performance and say "That's not how you do it." For example, when I watched you use the staff, the first thing that came to my mind was that the stance was bad. I didn't look at anything else because the stance stood out so much, that it made me blind to anything else you were doing. I think there is something like 3 million people in the U.S. that takes or trains martial arts. It's probably higher because the Internet makes it easier to access martial arts. There are hundreds of videos on stances just alone. So if you get that wrong, it won't take long for people to find out.

This video may help you. I really don't think you can short cut martial arts techniques even if it's just for performance. Many stuntmen and actors who do martial art stunts usually have training in a martial arts. My big thing are stances because a bad stance can literally destroy your knees. It's easy to do when it comes to martial arts.

I'm a huge fan of Martial Club. Thanks for your recommendations. As stated, this was a training vlog, so I don't think we need to beat the nail on the head about what you are posting about. In my opinion, it's not necessary to comment on what's wrong, I can take a look and see as I am a martial artist as well. I'm not really sure what the purpose is, but it doesn't look good on my thread. What stands out to me is the comments on the thread which imply that I am on such a level that I can't hold a basic stance, yet I am just letting you into my living room to view some things that I do during my own training sessions, which includes stance training and that may not look perfect. If you would like to see more, subscribe to my channel, and/or comment here! :banghead:
 
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I'm a huge fan of Martial Club. Thanks for your recommendations. As stated, this was a training vlog, so I don't think we need to beat the nail on the head about what you are posting about. In my opinion, it's not necessary to comment on what's wrong, I can take a look and see as I am a martial artist as well. I'm not really sure what the purpose is, but it doesn't look good on my thread. If you want to talk about what stands out to me it's the comments on the thread that are so focused on my abilities and training, yet I am just letting you into my living room to view some things that I do during my own training sessions. If you would like to see more, subscribe to my channel, and/or comment here! :banghead:
Part of that is the result of you posting this thread/video with no additional information. Not having that information lets people make their own assumption about why youposted it. And typically people posting videos on here are asking for constructive criticism/advice (as this is a forum primarily for discussion, rather than primarily a place to advertise), so if you are not looking for criticism, it's good to specify that in the initial post.
 
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Part of that is the result of you posting this thread/video with no additional information. Not having that information lets people make their own assumption about why youposted it. And typically people posting videos on here are asking for constructive criticism/advice (as this is a forum primarily for discussion, rather than primarily a place to advertise), so if you are not looking for criticism, it's good to specify that in the initial post.

I asked for comments such as constructive criticism to be directed via DM earlier in the thread. I will attempt to provide more info in the future. I am new to this, Thank you.
 

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I’ve got a private conversation going with him, sharing some of these kinds of things. Helping him navigate the issues.
Great. He definitely get some good stuff from you.

In my opinion, it's not necessary to comment on what's wrong, I can take a look and see as I am a martial artist as well. I'm not really sure what the purpose is, but it doesn't look good on my thread.
You shouldn't take what I say as if it was a personal attack because it wasn't. As far as "what doesn't look good on your thread"

1. No one is perfect.
2. Everyone learns from zero and improve.
3. People make mistakes and get things wrong. I've made tones of mistakes and got tons of things wrong and a lot of those instances were some of my best learning experiences. I still get things wrong, but that's just life. It happens and it's nothing to be ashamed of, embarrassed about, or angry about.
4. Nothing I've said has made you look bad in anyone's eyes.

This is what I said about you "No need to say anything else. You are straight forward about what your interest in Martial arts and I appreciate that more than you know."
Not sure how a statement like this "doesn't look good on your thread."

If you would like to see more, subscribe to my channel, and/or comment here!
No thanks. I'm on the opposite end of the Martial Arts scale. Martial arts performance really isn't my thing.
 

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Part of that is the result of you posting this thread/video with no additional information. Not having that information lets people make their own assumption about why youposted it. And typically people posting videos on here are asking for constructive criticism/advice (as this is a forum primarily for discussion, rather than primarily a place to advertise), so if you are not looking for criticism, it's good to specify that in the initial post.
This is the second time in 2 weeks where my statements have been focused on the safety of the person in the video, and in both occasions the person has gotten upset with me. lol. Dang. shoot a brother for caring about someone's knees.

I just won't comment anymore lol.
 
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