Ran across this. This is the same system (Hung Ga) that you posted.
People actually sparring using Hung Ga
Then you have this. I hear good things about Sifu Albright, but for me I would never spar against someone like this. I can only guess this is light sparring where one person throws a technique (not at full speed) where the Sifu is reacting to it. So this would be more like a drill I guess. For example, If I were to do something like this then, I would have you first start with jabs. First a single jab and from that I would have to apply various Jow Ga techniques to your jab. Some of your jabs will get through but that's not the point. The point is I have to be able to do some kind of Kung Fu in response to your jab. If a jab gets through then that means I screwed up . Then I would move to 1-2 jab combination and I would repeat the same thing. The goal here is to know what to do with the jab and to accept that I'm going to get hit with the jab because I'm learning. When I think too many people see this as Kung Fu (video below). But in reality I can't see someone getting into a real fight and doing the same thing and not think they would pay a price for it. Keep in mind the year that the video was made in.
I found this video because I didn't want to Give the Impression that Sifu Albright didn't know what he was doing. The clip below has him sparring in what seems to be a competition. Notice how he spars in that vs how he spars in the video below. Which fall in line with what I was originally thinking about his video. But people will see the fancy kung fu video and think they will fight like that in a real fight and the truth is. Nope. It will be more like the one below. Will you use kung fu techniques? yes Will it look Kung Fu fancy? Nope
These are sparring sessions with 2 people actively trying to hit each other. The only real difference is the intensity used. It's like a Jab. You can Jab light or you can Jab hard. Either way, it works both in sparring and in competition because the concept is sound and very practical. As for finding it used in street fights or MMA, that may be a difficult one.
In order to find this in a street fight or mma competition, the fighter would have to know the technique. If the fighter doesn't know of the technique then you won't see it. You have to know it first, before you can use it.
Yes, let's compare medicine and infections to training methods. Bad analogy is bad.
Then please explain why someone taking Karate for example needs kata, while someone who practices Muay Thai doesn't, yet Muay Thai is never viewed as an inferior martial art.
Good point, except that traditional Muay Thai, called Muay Boran, utilizes forms.
The reason? Kata is usually dealing with self-defense scenarios beyond just punching and kicking.
We weren't experimenting with the technique. We know it works. Sort of like a Jab. When you know it works then you have a lot of example of it working.In your posts, I see 2 Kung Fu guys engaged in friendly sparring. Nothing's really at stake there, and when nothing's at stake, you tend to do all sorts of wacky stuff in an attempt to experiment.
There is always something at stake, you can still get hit, you can still get hurt, and you can still fail at doing the technique. If you are sparring to learn, then you are trying to learn how to do things the right way and not the wacky way. That's why you see Jabs and hooks still used in light sparring. It's the same reason why you see this technique used more than once.Nothing's really at stake there, and when nothing's at stake, you tend to do all sorts of wacky stuff in an attempt to experiment.
Here's another exampleWhen someone wants to seriously hurt you, you don't do wacky stuff, you get serious and do whatever you can to survive.
like I said. This requires that the person in the ring knows the technique and knows how to use it.If I can't get that, I would at least like to see it when they're really fighting someone in a cage or a ring.
The only one that I've seen so far is the long circular punches like you see me use. MMA fighters like that one. You may see others pop up in the future as MMA fighters look for new and unfamiliar ways to strike.I just want to see Kung Fu in the ring or a street fight. Not Kung Fu that looks like kickboxing, Kung Fu with the weird hand techniques, overextended/exaggerated arm movements, and open-handed strikes like you showed in those sparring vids.
Traditonal Muay BoranI would argue that the vast majority of people are practicing Muay Thai, not Muay Boran, and are perfectly capable of defending themselves without the traditional fluff.
Traditonal Muay Boran
There are some martial arts that have fluff. But not all of them. Some of the martial arts stuff that's out there are has quite a bit of practical techniques.
But I'm like you as well. Too often I see Kung Fu practitioners abandon their techniques and I wish they wouldn't. I'm not bragging about myself, or feeding my EGO. There are very few Kung Fu people who can show screenshots and clips of them actually doing Kung as you have described. Like how many people other than me. I personally only know of one other.
This is the other guy. Other him and me, I don't know of any other from Jow Ga. He has a family full of fighters. He trains his kids to fight and he's a Jow Ga Practitioner. He has a couple of videos that show Jow Ga techniques and him actually using it in sparring. He spars with more intensity then I do. He also gets injured more as a result. The last time I sparred as hard as him was when I was training for competition. Other than me and this guy. I don't know anyone that I could show actually doing kung fu techniques as you want to see them.
That's because some of the techniques aren't specific to Muay Boran. I know that the leaping knee is found in multiple martial arts system. So not learning it from one system doesn't mean you can't learn it from another one. Kung Fu Long fist is a perfect example. How many people in MMA who actually use that technique had to take kung fu in order to learn it.Meh. I've seen fighters with zero Muay Boran training do those exact same techniques.
That's because some of the techniques aren't specific to Muay Boran. I know that the leaping knee is found in multiple martial arts system. So not learning it from one system doesn't mean you can't learn it from another one. Kung Fu Long fist is a perfect example. How many people in MMA who actually use that technique had to take kung fu in order to learn it.
I've seen some guys out of the Choy li fut and Hop Ga camps that were nice fighters. They actually try to use the techniques and can pull off certain ones fairly consistently.Okay, what about CMAs other than Jow Ga?
Easy. Because it wasn't me getting KO's by the bad or mediocre MMA guy lol I would just tell you not to go to that guy's school lol. Then if you wanted to spar in order to test me out then I would be open to that.Here's the problem; in the modern era, if the only public view I see is people from your MA getting KO'd by mediocre to bad MMA guys, why would I join your school over the MMA gym?
I haven't made Jow Ga viable. It was viable already. It only took me to understand what you see on the videos. Once I understood it, things became easier.Based on the amount of work you do to try to make Jow Ga a viable fighting art
The in house sparring wasn't bad. It gave me what I needed. In addition we had people from other systems in our school so they would often revert back to that system. I wouldn't be able to pass the physical for MMA now. Too old and high blood pressure. The most I would be able to get away these days is just that friendly sparring that you hate lol.I really think you and your friend need to do some local MMA fights and film them. I think it would go a long way for the development of your MA. I think that's your goal, and if it is, you're just spinning your tires doing all this in-house sparring.
I've seen some guys out of the Choy li fut and Hop Ga camps that were nice fighters. They actually try to use the techniques and can pull off certain ones fairly consistently.
Easy. Because it wasn't me getting KO's by the bad or mediocre MMA guy lol I would just tell you not to go to that guy's school lol. Then if you wanted to spar in order to test me out then I would be open to that.
I haven't made Jow Ga viable. It was viable already. It only took me to understand what you see on the videos. Once I understood it, things became easier.
I was planning to do competition a few years back but my wife was diagnosed with cancer, so I had to give up that idea so I could focus on her. Not a big loss all things considered. I would still go a few rounds with MMA guys maybe next year as I'm getting my blood pressure under control. It wouldn't be the first time that I've sparred against an MMA fighter.