Bagua Teacups

[blindsage21]

The teacup 'warm-up' that I was taught is a fundamental body method practice that I have used for many years now, but I'm finding that not only do some styles of Bagua not even do it, but if they do they really do it solely as a warmup. I was taught, use, and teach to others that it is a study of range of motion, how to build moving on a curve into the body, learning to receive and issue force from any direction, and how to coordinate the body moving from different angles. Is this not common? I though it was pretty standard, but I've run into multiple people in the last couple of years that have trained in Bagua that are not familiar with part or all of this. Anyone else use teacups in their regular practice?

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf161 26]

For the six months or so that I did bagua, we did the teacups every time. Was definitely taught as a fundamental, and I still do it sometimes personally

 

[Kung Fu Wang162 193]

Teacup training is used to break your opponent's wrist hold by using your palm to cut on your opponent's wrist.

 

[Xue Sheng152 6]

I was taught teacups when I trained Baguazhang, and I trained them for awhile after I stopped when I was just doing taijiquan. However Arthritis put a stop to them....I guess Arthritis would rather drink from a tea cup than circle around my head

And with that I will continue drinking my cup of tea

 

[blindsage21]

Teacup training is used to break your opponent's wrist hold by using your palm to cut on your opponent's wrist.

Sure, you can do that.

 

[isshinryuronin52 52]

Teacup training is used to break your opponent's wrist hold by using your palm to cut on your opponent's wrist.

Sounds like my cup of tea. I'll check out YouTube and hopefully learn what this is all about.

 

[Kung Fu Wang162 193]

Sounds like my cup of tea. I'll check out YouTube and hopefully learn what this is all about.

You use right hand to hold on my right wrist. I rotate my right palm clockwise and use my palm edge to cut into your right wrist to break your grip. This method is used in the long fist system to use only one hand to quick break the opponent's wrist grip without using the other hand.

 

[RDG5]

My understanding is that exercise should be done so that actual teacup on a saucer
would not fall.

 

[Xue Sheng152 6]

My understanding is that exercise should be done so that actual teacup on a saucer
would not fall.

Ping pong balls work too

 

[blindsage21]

My understanding is that exercise should be done so that actual teacup on a saucer
would not fall.

Some people do that, and some claim it "should" be done that way. I don't. The overall movement capability is what is important. There is a large range of options for the size that teacups can be done from VERY big to tiny. If holding a teacup on a saucer without spilling or dropping them is required, then there is a massive limit to the potential movement and the options available to you.

 

[Xue Sheng152 6]

Some people do that, and some claim it "should" be done that way. I don't. The overall movement capability is what is important. There is a large range of options for the size that teacups can be done from VERY big to tiny. If holding a teacup on a saucer without spilling or dropping them is required, then there is a massive limit to the potential movement and the options available to you.

I also use to do it with light medicine balls. But the goal was different

 

[RDG5]

The balancing act incorporates coiling palm. That seems to be somewhat missing
in the large movement in the vid.

 

[_Simon_162 193]

I wanna be a Bagua teacup....

 

[isshinryuronin52 52]

Some people do that, and some claim it "should" be done that way. I don't. The overall movement capability is what is important. There is a large range of options for the size that teacups can be done from VERY big to tiny. If holding a teacup on a saucer without spilling or dropping them is required, then there is a massive limit to the potential movement and the options available to you.

I also use to do it with light medicine balls. But the goal was different

This second quote seems to be the key to the issue raised in the first quote. I don't know about any "internal" considerations, but as far as physical MA application against an opponent is concerned, the goal of the technique will determine its nature.

If the goal is strengthening the wrist to be used for counter-grabbing the opponent's wrist, small rotations will be most applicable. If you're looking to develop overall arm/shoulder strength to be used for arm (or even body) control, larger rotations will be more effective.

 

[Gyakuto162 171]

I wanna be a Bagua teacup....

I suspect you’re bit of a ‘teapot’

 

[Gyakuto162 171]

This second quote seems to be the key to the issue raised in the first quote. I don't know about any "internal" considerations, but as far as physical MA application against an opponent is concerned, the goal of the technique will determine its nature.

If the goal is strengthening the wrist to be used for counter-grabbing the opponent's wrist, small rotations will be most applicable. If you're looking to develop overall arm/shoulder strength to be used for arm (or even body) control, larger rotations will be more effective.

I read that it’s for shoulder mobility.

 

[blindsage21]

The balancing act incorporates coiling palm. That seems to be somewhat missing
in the large movement in the vid.

I assume you are referring to something very specific as 'coiling palm' that may not be the same in every Bagua lineage. As for coiling movement and energy, there is plenty in the video.

 

[blindsage21]

This second quote seems to be the key to the issue raised in the first quote. I don't know about any "internal" considerations, but as far as physical MA application against an opponent is concerned, the goal of the technique will determine its nature.

If the goal is strengthening the wrist to be used for counter-grabbing the opponent's wrist, small rotations will be most applicable. If you're looking to develop overall arm/shoulder strength to be used for arm (or even body) control, larger rotations will be more effective.

Teacups aren's a specific individual technique. They are a body method which many techniques may be derived from.

 

[Xue Sheng152 6]

This second quote seems to be the key to the issue raised in the first quote. I don't know about any "internal" considerations, but as far as physical MA application against an opponent is concerned, the goal of the technique will determine its nature.

If the goal is strengthening the wrist to be used for counter-grabbing the opponent's wrist, small rotations will be most applicable. If you're looking to develop overall arm/shoulder strength to be used for arm (or even body) control, larger rotations will be more effective.

Goal isn’t for strengthening, that was just my own strange addition. It is for flexibility, balance and smoothness of movement. If you are actually doing it for bagua purposes, ping pong ball are by far a better choice.

 

[isshinryuronin52 52]

Goal isn’t for strengthening, that was just my own strange addition. It is for flexibility, balance and smoothness of movement. If you are actually doing it for bagua purposes, ping pong ball are by far a better choice.

Understood these are main benefits as well, but ultimately in TMA, these contribute to martial application with large or small movements best for particular applications. And large movements especially are good for overall mobility that can really help as one ages.