Is there some secret school these people go to, in order to be so misinformed?
http://news.msn.com/us/judge-says-victims-body-can-prevent-rape
http://news.msn.com/us/judge-says-victims-body-can-prevent-rape
Another Republican speaks out about rape...
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granfire
Sr. Grandmaster
a big step back to the days of 'she really wanted it' and 'she dressed like she wanted it'
ah, yes, the more things change, the more they stay the same....
aedrasteia
Purple Belt
DD, thank you for your outrage. please consider doing something concrete and practical to help
on this lingering horror, in your home community. I hope you will join in.
We desperately need your energy and your help.
The case occurred in 2008. Judge Johnson made his comments at the sentencing hearing for the convicted man
and came as the judge explained his sentence of only 6 years, instead of 16 possible years in prison
You understand that the legal requirement demanding visible proof of "deternined resistance"
was placed on (women and girl children) only victims of rape for decades - right?
(stipulated in statute across the country with slight variations in language among states)
No other violent felony statutes placed this hideous burden on victims, AFAIK
And rape statutes were gender specific (at the state level) until the last 30 years -
meaning only P in V assault was considered rape.
And FBI data collection parameters were not changed until this year. Y es, January 2012.
Meaning, horribly and sadly, that at the state level, no perpetrator could be arrested for
rape of an adult man or male child. (Other crimes could be charged).
Until people like me and thousands more fought like bloody hell for years , one state by one state,
nothing changed. There is extensive legal writing/commentary on the "requirement of resistance".
It is highly educational to read this body of writing and hearing the perspectives of those who once held these views.
But Judge Johnson is not remotely alone in his opinions, nor in application of his views to specific cases.
Here is the partial text of his comments:
Unbelievably, Johnson cited his time in the district attorney’s sexual assault unit when he lectured the prosecutor on why he was imposing a six-year sentence instead of the 16 requested. “I’ve seen sexual assault,” Johnson said from the bench. “I’ve seen women who have been ravaged and savaged whose vagina was shredded by the rape.
"I'm not a gynecologist, but I can tell you something," the judge said, according to documents released Thursday.
"If someone doesn't want to have sexual intercourse, the body shuts down.
The body will not permit that to happen unless a lot of damage is inflicted, and we heard nothing about that in this case."That tells me that the victim in this case, although she wasn't necessarily willing, she didn't put up a fight," the judge said.
The judge, who has been on the Orange County Superior Court since 2000, also declared the rape "technical" and not "a real, live criminal case. "To treat this case like the rape cases that we all hear about is an insult to victims of rape," the judge said. "I think it's an insult. I think it trivializes a rape."
Here is what the woman was threatened with by the the assailant (her former boyfriend) - Please note, as in the great majority of cases _not a stranger_.
Metin Gurel, convicted of rape, forcible oral copulation, domestic battery, stalking and making threats against his former girlfriend.
The day he raped her, according to records, Gurel beat her with a metal baton, threatened to maim her face and vagina with a heated screwdriver, burn her face and hair with a lit cigarette lighter and shoot and kill her.
As we heard this year, Judge Johnsons' perspective is hardly isolated
I encounter those sharing his view- not as often as in the past but frequently enoughthat this brings no surprise,
only sadness and revived determination to bring them to an end.
with respect and appreciation for your post,
I'm curious as to what his being a republican has to do with this decision. I have seen outrages things said by all sorts of judges, things that boggle the mind. I remember one recently where the judge in England complemented the courage of a home invader. Judges do stupid things and need to be replaced.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pm-burglar...ghestRated&isNext=true&offset=20&pageNumber=1
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pm-burglar...ghestRated&isNext=true&offset=20&pageNumber=1
You're not serious, are you? Have Democrats been denying biology too?
They frequently deny rape, and other mysoginistic activity, especially when their favorite pro-abortion politicians are concerned, Bill Clinton, the dymamic duo Ted Kennedy and Chris dodd, and not to mention all the libs who still support the child rapist Roman Polanski, Whoopi Goldberg who said it wasn't rape, rape, or the other ones who fall over themselves to work with woody allen, so please, when it comes to treating women badly, the democrats shouldn't speak too loudly...
These wonderful actors, directors and producers who excuse child rape because polanski is talented...
http://www.indiewire.com/article/over_100_in_film_community_sign_polanski_petition#!
These wonderful actors, directors and producers who excuse child rape because polanski is talented...
http://www.indiewire.com/article/over_100_in_film_community_sign_polanski_petition#!
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cdunn
2nd Black Belt
The glib response would be Sunday school. But the flip side to the conservative concept of 'personal responsibility' is victim blaming. If something bad happens, it can only be the victims fault - they had the responsibility to not let it happen, no matter who else was involved. Stack with this the demonization of women as sexual temptresses, and you have a formula for excusing rape as the woman's fault, no matter how insane it looks.
Sounds just like the Arab and other countries where the woman is punished for rape often by being executed.
cdunn
2nd Black Belt
The root disease is the same, yes, just different degress of pustulence.
granfire
Sr. Grandmaster
And I draw ire of the guys when I say Western guys are not so different from those Middle Eastern guys they hate so much....
ballen0351
Sr. Grandmaster
Does not shock me I've seen and heard judges say some stupid crap. I once saw a judge ask the audience in the court if we thought the guy was guilty or not. He actually asked for a show of hands and counted.
I was also told by a different judge that police officers can't be assaulted its part of our job we just need to accept it.
I was also told by a different judge that police officers can't be assaulted its part of our job we just need to accept it.
cdunn
2nd Black Belt
We've only been thinking of women as humans instead of property for a few centuries at most - and change takes centuries to propagate through entire civilizations. There will always be those that call for the return to the older, crueler ways, particularly those who percieve benefit from them, regardless as to if the benefit is real.
granfire
Sr. Grandmaster
Decades, Love, decades, not centuries.
cdunn
2nd Black Belt
Thinking about it and trying to do it are seperate things.
But, yes. We generally agree.
You sounded proper English then just like wot I do!
Sadly this is the case, it is only decades since women started being treated as humans, even that could be described as generous.
