Aaaarrrrggghhhh! Time for a knee rebuild.

[Ivan]

Hey man, sorry to hear about your knee. Before you consider surgery, I want you to just take a look at two things - the carnivore diet, and kneesOverToesGuy. Maybe you've heard of them, maybe you haven't. Even if you go through with the surgery, both of these things will still be beneficial.
Shawn Baker, the guy who lost his medical license over his proposition of the carnivore diet, was a heart surgeon for over 3 decades (if I remember correctly). His book is fascinating. He cites different clients that he has had over the years to have completely recovered from injuries requiring complete knee replacement without surgery just by his diet. It might sound like bogus, and it may be, but I don't see the downside of giving it a shot. https://www.youtube.com/@ShawnBakerMD

Next is the KneesOverToes Guy. This man is an ex-basketball athlete who had to leave his sport due to knee injuries. After multiple surgeries and knee replacements, he was told he would never play basketball again. Now, in his YouTube channel, he is seen boasting exceptional knee and ligament strength and mobility. My BJJ coach in England abided by his exercises, and claimed that after 10 years of wearing knee sleeves consistently every session, after just 6 weeks of his exercises, he was able to roll at full throttle with no knee pain or issues whatsoever. https://www.youtube.com/@TheKneesovertoesguy

 

[Instructor]

My prayers to Balrog for health and healing whichever path you choose. I've had a family member get a knee replacement and it looked pretty darned unpleasant.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Hey man, sorry to hear about your knee. Before you consider surgery, I want you to just take a look at two things - the carnivore diet, and kneesOverToesGuy. Maybe you've heard of them, maybe you haven't. Even if you go through with the surgery, both of these things will still be beneficial.
Shawn Baker, the guy who lost his medical license over his proposition of the carnivore diet, was a heart surgeon for over 3 decades (if I remember correctly). His book is fascinating. He cites different clients that he has had over the years to have completely recovered from injuries requiring complete knee replacement without surgery just by his diet. It might sound like bogus, and it may be, but I don't see the downside of giving it a shot. https://www.youtube.com/@ShawnBakerMD

Next is the KneesOverToes Guy. This man is an ex-basketball athlete who had to leave his sport due to knee injuries. After multiple surgeries and knee replacements, he was told he would never play basketball again. Now, in his YouTube channel, he is seen boasting exceptional knee and ligament strength and mobility. My BJJ coach in England abided by his exercises, and claimed that after 10 years of wearing knee sleeves consistently every session, after just 6 weeks of his exercises, he was able to roll at full throttle with no knee pain or issues whatsoever. https://www.youtube.com/@TheKneesovertoesguy

You know how to hide $100.00 from an orthopedic surgeon? You put it in a book. You know how to hide $100.00 from a plastic surgeon? That’s a trick question, because you can’t hide $100.00 from a plastic surgeon.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Hey man, sorry to hear about your knee. Before you consider surgery, I want you to just take a look at two things - the carnivore diet, and kneesOverToesGuy. Maybe you've heard of them, maybe you haven't. Even if you go through with the surgery, both of these things will still be beneficial.
Shawn Baker, the guy who lost his medical license over his proposition of the carnivore diet, was a heart surgeon for over 3 decades (if I remember correctly). His book is fascinating. He cites different clients that he has had over the years to have completely recovered from injuries requiring complete knee replacement without surgery just by his diet. It might sound like bogus, and it may be, but I don't see the downside of giving it a shot. https://www.youtube.com/@ShawnBakerMD

Next is the KneesOverToes Guy. This man is an ex-basketball athlete who had to leave his sport due to knee injuries. After multiple surgeries and knee replacements, he was told he would never play basketball again. Now, in his YouTube channel, he is seen boasting exceptional knee and ligament strength and mobility. My BJJ coach in England abided by his exercises, and claimed that after 10 years of wearing knee sleeves consistently every session, after just 6 weeks of his exercises, he was able to roll at full throttle with no knee pain or issues whatsoever. https://www.youtube.com/@TheKneesovertoesguy

I caution anyone reading this thread from any view point or opinion to DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH! No two cases are the same. There is no magical panacea. Not all people should have a surgery, but some clearly need it. Anyone giving you medical advice should have an MD or DO behind their name. Before you act on any advice, get at least 2 opinions from DOCTORS that you have researched.

 

[Ivan]

I caution anyone reading this thread from any view point or opinion to DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH! No two cases are the same. There is no magical panacea. Not all people should have a surgery, but some clearly need it. Anyone giving you medical advice should have an MD or DO behind their name. Before you act on any advice, get at least 2 opinions from DOCTORS that you have researched.

Doctors nowadays are quick to treat the symptoms instead of the root of the problem. You can consult doctors all you like. They will only ever give you two answers: surgery or pills. Conveniently, they make money from having you remain in pain for the rest of your life.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

Doctors nowadays are quick to treat the symptoms instead of the root of the problem. You can consult doctors all you like. They will only ever give you two answers: surgery or pills. Conveniently, they make money from having you remain in pain for the rest of your life.

This is absolutely untrue. Doctors make referral to various types of therapists (including physical therapists) all the time for treatment. Many doctors will do anything possible to avoid referring for surgery, or prescribing pills-sometimes too much.

 

[Ivan]

This is absolutely untrue. Doctors make referral to various types of therapists (including physical therapists) all the time for treatment. Many doctors will do anything possible to avoid referring for surgery, or prescribing pills-sometimes too much.

Then why do doctors get paid by private pharmaceutical companies to prescribe their drugs? Why is there such a vast amount of people in the US and UK alike on constant prescriptions for anti-depressants? It seems unlikely to me, that spikes of anti-depressant prescriptions have risen by over 30% in the UK in just 6 years.

Pharmaceutical companies profit more from treating the problem, not curing it. This trend occurs across the board for everything. Obesity, mental health issues, soft tissue damage, cancer and more.

Neither governments or companies will ever have it in their best interest to promote health, strength and longetivity amongst the masses.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Doctors nowadays are quick to treat the symptoms instead of the root of the problem. You can consult doctors all you like. They will only ever give you two answers: surgery or pills. Conveniently, they make money from having you remain in pain for the rest of your life.

Based on your post, I think that you might be missing parts of the equation, such as hospital systems and health insurance companies. Consider that most doctors other than general practitioners work for a hospital system or a health insurance company. I’m not saying that all doctors are good or skilled or honest, they are people. As I said in my post, do your own research. Get two opinions. Get to know the body system and the health care system you are dealing with. Get to know how they work so that you can be your own best health care advocate. I know dozens of doctors of all kinds, from surgeons to oncologists to exotic veterinary specialists. They are just people, but I guess it’s not paranoia if they really are out to get you.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

Then why do doctors get paid by private pharmaceutical companies to prescribe their drugs? Why is there such a vast amount of people in the US and UK alike on constant prescriptions for anti-depressants? It seems unlikely to me, that spikes of anti-depressant prescriptions have risen by over 30% in the UK in just 6 years.

I looked it up and the number of referrals to therapy went up around 27 percent (rounded) between 2014 and 2019. So sounds more likely that people are focusing on mental health in general more/being more willing to discuss it.

Also, assuming that wasn't true, your point would indicate that doctors are becoming more focused on antidepressants, not that they were focused on that in general.

Pharmaceutical companies profit more from treating the problem, not curing it. This trend occurs across the board for everything. Obesity, mental health issues, soft tissue damage, cancer and more.

Yes. Pharmaceutical companies. Not doctors. If doctors had the same viewpoint, they wouldn't do surgeries, offer other types of referrals, or talk about how to lose weight.

You're imagining a big conspiracy of healthcare professionals not wanting to offer healthcare, where there is not one. And giving actively bad medical advice to people you don't know at the same time.

 

[Ivan]

I looked it up and the number of referrals to therapy went up around 27 percent (rounded) between 2014 and 2019. So sounds more likely that people are focusing on mental health in general more/being more willing to discuss it.

Also, assuming that wasn't true, your point would indicate that doctors are becoming more focused on antidepressants, not that they were focused on that in general.

Yes. Pharmaceutical companies. Not doctors. If doctors had the same viewpoint, they wouldn't do surgeries, offer other types of referrals, or talk about how to lose weight.

You're imagining a big conspiracy of healthcare professionals not wanting to offer healthcare, where there is not one. And giving actively bad medical advice to people you don't know at the same time.

I don't believe it to be a conspiracy. Doctors are actively paid to prescribe experimental drugs and are encouraged to place people on anti-depressants as opposed to solving the root of the problem. As human as a doctor may be, he is not interested in you. Dozens if not hundreds walk into their offices daily. It's just like customer service jobs - do you think doctors remain empathetic with individuals after having so many people constantly coming in daily, a large portion of which will mistreat and disrespect them, just as people disrespect taxi drivers, bartenders, waiters, and people in manual labor? They all grow to the point where they just want to get you out of their office. I know this from my family members. My mother is a dentist, and her mother before her. Her friends are dentists. The stories of the customers they deal with are unimaginable.

In short, this is how doctors operate. Depressed? Pills. Too fat and can barely walk? Pills. Headaches? Pills, pills, pills.

Many mental health issues have not been recorded in the past so I doubt the newfound focus on them has anything to do with this. Mental health issues are increasing, not decreasing. Do you think people in the 1600s were concerned with dyslexia, ADHD, autism, etc? No, they coped with it how they could and moved on with their lives, instead of being put on pill diets from birth. Pills are an unnecessary equation in a lot of people's lives. They should be a last resort.
The same goes for obesity. It is skyrocketing daily. Both the government and the companies benefit from this. If modern medicine and doctors are so empathetic, why are all these issues going up instead of down? Although there are other factors to consider, of course, this trend still does not make sense.

While medicine has advanced, it doesn't make sense to me why suicide rates have only recently shot up so high too. If it was just a matter of focusing on mental health more, all this focus should be pushing the rates down. In the USA during the 1980s, at the very beginning of the acceptance of hyper-processed foods suicide rates were at 11.1 per capita. In 2021, they are at over 14 per capita. An entire 4% increase was just between 2020 and 2021 alone.

Everyone loves to dismiss conspiracy nowadays. The media has used the term "conspiracy theorist" to dismiss criticism for decades, but if the last 70 years of US history haven't shown people that the government/companies aren't on their side, nothing will. From fluoride dumping in water sources covered up by factories, to mind control experiments using LSD, nothing can surprise me anymore. What, I am expected to believe that after the last 7 decades of covered-up inhumane experiments, suddenly governments and companies are moral and have our best interests at heart?

Don't get me wrong. Doctors are essential. I just don't trust their way of practicing medicine, because I do not believe that they see me as an individual. I am just another statistic.

 

[Ivan]

This is absolutely untrue. Doctors make referral to various types of therapists (including physical therapists) all the time for treatment. Many doctors will do anything possible to avoid referring for surgery, or prescribing pills-sometimes too much.

So doctors will refer you to other super-expensive doctors who will charge you money to find the same exercises and diets you can find online anyway, before also charging you to get super-expensive surgeries?

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

I don't believe it to be a conspiracy. Doctors are actively paid to prescribe experimental drugs and are encouraged to place people on anti-depressants as opposed to solving the root of the problem. As human as a doctor may be, he is not interested in you. Dozens if not hundreds walk into their offices daily. It's just like customer service jobs - do you think doctors remain empathetic with individuals after having so many people constantly coming in daily, a large portion of which will mistreat and disrespect them, just as people disrespect taxi drivers, bartenders, waiters, and people in manual labor? They all grow to the point where they just want to get you out of their office. I know this from my family members. My mother is a dentist, and her mother before her. Her friends are dentists. The stories of the customers they deal with are unimaginable.

In short, this is how doctors operate. Depressed? Pills. Too fat and can barely walk? Pills. Headaches? Pills, pills, pills.

Many mental health issues have not been recorded in the past so I doubt the newfound focus on them has anything to do with this. Mental health issues are increasing, not decreasing. Do you think people in the 1600s were concerned with dyslexia, ADHD, autism, etc? No, they coped with it how they could and moved on with their lives, instead of being put on pill diets from birth. Pills are an unnecessary equation in a lot of people's lives. They should be a last resort.
The same goes for obesity. It is skyrocketing daily. Both the government and the companies benefit from this. If modern medicine and doctors are so empathetic, why are all these issues going up instead of down? Although there are other factors to consider, of course, this trend still does not make sense.

While medicine has advanced, it doesn't make sense to me why suicide rates have only recently shot up so high too. If it was just a matter of focusing on mental health more, all this focus should be pushing the rates down. In the USA during the 1980s, at the very beginning of the acceptance of hyper-processed foods suicide rates were at 11.1 per capita. In 2021, they are at over 14 per capita. An entire 4% increase was just between 2020 and 2021 alone.

Everyone loves to dismiss conspiracy nowadays. The media has used the term "conspiracy theorist" to dismiss criticism for decades, but if the last 70 years of US history haven't shown people that the government/companies aren't on their side, nothing will. From fluoride dumping in water sources covered up by factories, to mind control experiments using LSD, nothing can surprise me anymore. What, I am expected to believe that after the last 7 decades of covered-up inhumane experiments, suddenly governments and companies are moral and have our best interests at heart?

Don't get me wrong. Doctors are essential. I just don't trust their way of practicing medicine, because I do not believe that they see me as an individual. I am just another statistic.

If you see the 4% increase in suicides between 2020-2021 do you see the pandemic as a possible factor? I understand your frustration with the medical system, it can be daunting and difficult to navigate it. I don’t agree with any sort of sweeping generalizations of doctors as a whole. They are people just like you.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

I don't believe it to be a conspiracy.

People who believe in them tend not to think of themselves as conspiracy theorists. But what you described (even if accurate) would be a conspiracy.

 

[jks9199]

Folks,
We're drifting away from the topic of a particular knee replacement after examination and diagnosis by a medical professional into issues about medical care, the pharmaceutical industry, and more... Maybe we can get back on track and avoid a discussion that has a huge tendency to turn political...

 

[Gerry Seymour]

I don't believe it to be a conspiracy. Doctors are actively paid to prescribe experimental drugs and are encouraged to place people on anti-depressants as opposed to solving the root of the problem. As human as a doctor may be, he is not interested in you. Dozens if not hundreds walk into their offices daily. It's just like customer service jobs - do you think doctors remain empathetic with individuals after having so many people constantly coming in daily, a large portion of which will mistreat and disrespect them, just as people disrespect taxi drivers, bartenders, waiters, and people in manual labor? They all grow to the point where they just want to get you out of their office. I know this from my family members. My mother is a dentist, and her mother before her. Her friends are dentists. The stories of the customers they deal with are unimaginable.

In short, this is how doctors operate. Depressed? Pills. Too fat and can barely walk? Pills. Headaches? Pills, pills, pills.

Many mental health issues have not been recorded in the past so I doubt the newfound focus on them has anything to do with this. Mental health issues are increasing, not decreasing. Do you think people in the 1600s were concerned with dyslexia, ADHD, autism, etc? No, they coped with it how they could and moved on with their lives, instead of being put on pill diets from birth. Pills are an unnecessary equation in a lot of people's lives. They should be a last resort.
The same goes for obesity. It is skyrocketing daily. Both the government and the companies benefit from this. If modern medicine and doctors are so empathetic, why are all these issues going up instead of down? Although there are other factors to consider, of course, this trend still does not make sense.

While medicine has advanced, it doesn't make sense to me why suicide rates have only recently shot up so high too. If it was just a matter of focusing on mental health more, all this focus should be pushing the rates down. In the USA during the 1980s, at the very beginning of the acceptance of hyper-processed foods suicide rates were at 11.1 per capita. In 2021, they are at over 14 per capita. An entire 4% increase was just between 2020 and 2021 alone.

Everyone loves to dismiss conspiracy nowadays. The media has used the term "conspiracy theorist" to dismiss criticism for decades, but if the last 70 years of US history haven't shown people that the government/companies aren't on their side, nothing will. From fluoride dumping in water sources covered up by factories, to mind control experiments using LSD, nothing can surprise me anymore. What, I am expected to believe that after the last 7 decades of covered-up inhumane experiments, suddenly governments and companies are moral and have our best interests at heart?

Don't get me wrong. Doctors are essential. I just don't trust their way of practicing medicine, because I do not believe that they see me as an individual. I am just another statistic.

That’s a vast and uninformed oversimplification. There are certainly some doctors who fall into that description. There are many who do not. I’ve had several who worked to avoid medication or surgery, even when I went in expecting that (so it would have been the easy route). There absolutely are good doctors, who care about and get to know their patients. I’ve found some by sheer chance, even in large systems - I haven’t had to go searching for them. That latter point suggests (but doesn’t prove) there are a large number.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

So doctors will refer you to other super-expensive doctors who will charge you money to find the same exercises and diets you can find online anyway, before also charging you to get super-expensive surgeries?

Finding the exercises isn’t the part that requires deep knowledge. Knowing the root problem - and, therefore, which exercises will help and which will make it worse - is the thing.

A good example of this is a 50% tear in my common flexor tendon. It turned out the cause of the tear (and the most likely source of reinjury) was that my shoulders are significantly weaker than my arms. Strengthening the area around the year would have eventually exacerbated the issue, and I’d probably have ended up out of my job and needing surgery.

 

[Balrog]

Well, an update for you. I am scheduled for surgery on 8/10. They want me to strengthen my legs as much as I can beforehand, so I'm in the gym on the leg machines and the bike 3 days a week and doing the home exercises on the other days.

My doc has been very good about educating me and he knows that I am a martial arts mutant who wants to be back on the floor ASAP. The rehab should have be doing "normal" things like walking and bowling in about 90 days. Probably another 90 days of continued rehab and light workouts before I can get out on the floor and actively teach. I already know that I am going to have to modify my technique to adapt - probably no more jump kicks and one-legged stances in forms to start with.

He's been pretty blunt about it: this ****'s gonna hurt for a while. But I've had kidney stones in the past. I'm pretty sure it's not going to hurt THAT bad.

Stay tuned for more adventures!!

 

[Xue Sheng]

Well, an update for you. I am scheduled for surgery on 8/10. They want me to strengthen my legs as much as I can beforehand, so I'm in the gym on the leg machines and the bike 3 days a week and doing the home exercises on the other days.

My doc has been very good about educating me and he knows that I am a martial arts mutant who wants to be back on the floor ASAP. The rehab should have be doing "normal" things like walking and bowling in about 90 days. Probably another 90 days of continued rehab and light workouts before I can get out on the floor and actively teach. I already know that I am going to have to modify my technique to adapt - probably no more jump kicks and one-legged stances in forms to start with.

He's been pretty blunt about it: this ****'s gonna hurt for a while. But I've had kidney stones in the past. I'm pretty sure it's not going to hurt THAT bad.

Stay tuned for more adventures!!

Remember, everyone recovers from this differently, some are quicker than others and per my MD everyone takes a least a year for full recovery and he also has no idea why many of the people that get this done, seem to forget how long it took when they are recovered

I was told by my MD the last things to come back are walking down stairs and kneeling. Also told me he did not recommend grappling arts after this

Hope all goes well and I hope you recover quickly

 

[HighKick]

Well, an update for you. I am scheduled for surgery on 8/10. They want me to strengthen my legs as much as I can beforehand, so I'm in the gym on the leg machines and the bike 3 days a week and doing the home exercises on the other days.

My doc has been very good about educating me and he knows that I am a martial arts mutant who wants to be back on the floor ASAP. The rehab should have be doing "normal" things like walking and bowling in about 90 days. Probably another 90 days of continued rehab and light workouts before I can get out on the floor and actively teach. I already know that I am going to have to modify my technique to adapt - probably no more jump kicks and one-legged stances in forms to start with.

He's been pretty blunt about it: this ****'s gonna hurt for a while. But I've had kidney stones in the past. I'm pretty sure it's not going to hurt THAT bad.

Stay tuned for more adventures!!

I have had both knees replaced. For me, the second day, when the epidural wears off is worse than kidney stones, but I didn't take anything stronger than Tylenol. Still highly recommend the procedure if you are bone on bone.
It was over a year before I felt like doing jumps other than simple spin kicks and do them sparingly now. The one legged-stances are more a product of muscle strength. They hurt much less now since I am not standing bone-on-bone. But there is definitely down time for the trauma of surgery and the stretching involved on the ligaments and tendons. I think it is one of those "your mileage may vary" things.

 

[Balrog]

Today was the day! Here's me in my spiffy surgical gown and 7 hours later, making my escape! First full Physical Terapy session scheduled for Monday.