Where do we draw the line?

Discussion in 'Ninjutsu' started by Grey Eyed Bandit, Jan 11, 2005.

  1. stephen

    stephen Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2003
    Messages:
    345
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    28
    When I'm in this situation I shut down the 'training' part of my brain and don't come back after the class is over. It usually results in me falling down a lot for the other guy and going through the motions when I'm tori.

    In my opinion, training yourself to act inappropriately is suicide.

    When I say using intention with newer students - I talking about specifically a very slo-mo attack. If they don't move they will feel my attack, but it will be no more than a very gentle 'push' (for lack of a better word). I use this as an opportunity to really, really focus on and train the 'structure' of my kamae while moving slowly. The way I train this it's actually very difficult for me to do (hard to explain in words though).

    So, it's good training to me as well as my partner. In fact, I won't do anything that isn't good training for both people. In a two hour class, training well for half and poorly for half means I just should have went running instead!
     
  2. Grey Eyed Bandit

    Grey Eyed Bandit Master of Arts

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2004
    Messages:
    1,503
    Likes Received:
    48
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Location:
    MAP Hell
    I'm not following.
     
  3. Bigshadow

    Bigshadow Senior Master

    • Martial Talk Alumni
    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2005
    Messages:
    4,033
    Likes Received:
    45
    Trophy Points:
    158
    Location:
    Saint Cloud, Florida
    I do when I can. :) I was in New Jersey last year training with strangers. LOL
     
  4. stephen

    stephen Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2003
    Messages:
    345
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    28

    If I am a participant in bad training I stop training.
     
  5. Grey Eyed Bandit

    Grey Eyed Bandit Master of Arts

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2004
    Messages:
    1,503
    Likes Received:
    48
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Location:
    MAP Hell
    I've walked out of ongoing training a couple of times, but I'd be hard-pressed to do that in the Honbu in front of the Shihan of your choice.
     
  6. Bigshadow

    Bigshadow Senior Master

    • Martial Talk Alumni
    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2005
    Messages:
    4,033
    Likes Received:
    45
    Trophy Points:
    158
    Location:
    Saint Cloud, Florida
    So, what are you really saying here?
     
  7. stephen

    stephen Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2003
    Messages:
    345
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    28
    I said I stop my own training, not that I leave or sit out. I've never walked out of an ongoing training; I really don't care to draw that much attention.

    This is the situation I was trying to describe here:

     
  8. Grey Eyed Bandit

    Grey Eyed Bandit Master of Arts

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2004
    Messages:
    1,503
    Likes Received:
    48
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Location:
    MAP Hell
    That I'm willing to put up with more to be polite to a Japanese Shihan than a Western one.
     
  9. Grey Eyed Bandit

    Grey Eyed Bandit Master of Arts

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2004
    Messages:
    1,503
    Likes Received:
    48
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Location:
    MAP Hell
    I'm still not sure I understand.
     
  10. stephen

    stephen Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2003
    Messages:
    345
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    28
    You've heard of the phrase going through the motions and understand what it implies, I assume?
     
  11. Bigshadow

    Bigshadow Senior Master

    • Martial Talk Alumni
    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2005
    Messages:
    4,033
    Likes Received:
    45
    Trophy Points:
    158
    Location:
    Saint Cloud, Florida
    Interesting point of view.
     
  12. Grey Eyed Bandit

    Grey Eyed Bandit Master of Arts

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2004
    Messages:
    1,503
    Likes Received:
    48
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Location:
    MAP Hell
    I remember the wording, but by all means, keep on elaborating.
     
  13. stephen

    stephen Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2003
    Messages:
    345
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    28

    I think that's as good as I can do for now. If you could sort of give me your thoughts, maybe I can clarify from there...
     
  14. Grey Eyed Bandit

    Grey Eyed Bandit Master of Arts

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2004
    Messages:
    1,503
    Likes Received:
    48
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Location:
    MAP Hell
    What can I say? Stopping training for me means not being there.
     
  15. stephen

    stephen Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2003
    Messages:
    345
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    28

    Ok.

    For me, moving my arms and legs around in a dojo is not necessarily training.

    I'm sure we can all remember people in school who where present physically in the class, but not actually learning.
     
  16. newtothe dark

    newtothe dark Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2007
    Messages:
    325
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    18
    I hear you but isnt that a disservice to your training partner and Sensi? Just a thought.
     
  17. Grey Eyed Bandit

    Grey Eyed Bandit Master of Arts

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2004
    Messages:
    1,503
    Likes Received:
    48
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Location:
    MAP Hell
    I can see now what you mean. As for me, I haven't been sure that what I've seen has been real or not for the past six years or so, so I'm not always in a position to make that distinction.
     
  18. Grey Eyed Bandit

    Grey Eyed Bandit Master of Arts

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2004
    Messages:
    1,503
    Likes Received:
    48
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Location:
    MAP Hell
    No, as I said, everyone's satisfied with that arrangement.
     
  19. stephen

    stephen Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2003
    Messages:
    345
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    28
    That's a tough spot. Going to need to find a way out of that.

    Go with your gut. Have an opinion and either you'll be right or eventually proved wrong. Either way you'll learn something.



    Don't know what to say... That's a really, really tough spot. What does your teacher say about how you feel?
     
  20. Grey Eyed Bandit

    Grey Eyed Bandit Master of Arts

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2004
    Messages:
    1,503
    Likes Received:
    48
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Location:
    MAP Hell
    Don't see that happening anytime soon.

    What I meant was that I'm not always able to tell if something I do in training will benefit me in the long run. There are times when I know that is the case, when I know that it isn't, and when I really don't know.

    Which one?123
     

Share This Page