What makes a Martial Arts System Practical for Physical Self-Defense?

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  1. drop bear

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    Ah right.. that's interesting... so being of a certain age justifies certain behaviours... I'm legit just trying to understand not judge. All good we can drop it if you'd like
     
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    The dude with red gloves come in to challenge? Really impressed by the fellow with black gloves, he only ramped it up when the other guy went a bit hard, and didn't beat him to a pulp, but showed his skill for sure.
     
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    Yeah. He is a super nice guy.

    We knew the other dude wasn't very good.
     
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    im fine with it, what happened 48 year ago justifies certain behaviours, if id have run into him when i was 20, he would have got a lot lot worse, so he is lucky to a large extent,

    he made a living beating up little kids then he got to exsperiance what it feels like to be powerless, i think thats fair and just, clearly you dont, so we differ in philosophy
     
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    Holding each other's feet I'd need to try out. Might work if everyone does it right (some risk if the supporter does a poor job). Walls are usually at a premium. Stuff stored along them, heavy bags, and such. Hard to find enough wall space for more than a small class to work together.
     
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    That's sparring. And it would depend what the attitude is. Right then? No. I'm teaching class. If he wants to wait around (or perhaps join the class), I'll probably have a chance later (assuming I don't have a busy class plan, like testing). But again, that's sparring. I don't need to destroy the guy. I don't even need to win - my students aren't under any illusion that I'm Superman.

    Those aren't really challenge fights, though are they? They're friendly tests of skill.d
     
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    I only know one guy who even claims this happened (and I tend to believe him). It was in the late '70's, I think.
     
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    we are branching off a bit, but back in my kung fu days, we did an enourmass amount of body weight exercises where the body weight was someone elses, which needs you to select partners a bit, to prevent dropping, but hell that teaches them breakfalls.

    i, at about 160 lb, used to get the 300lb guy, as no one else could lift him, i tell you hopping round the gym with him on my back, was a good work out
     
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    I don't understand the need for the instructor to seem invulnerable. I just don't get it.
     
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    the real problem you have, isnt finding exercises that produces posertive results in a short time, it getting a cross section of the public to put in enough effort to count as HIT or HIIT,


    there still a gain for them, even if they are only at 60% effort , as what they can do at 60% increases week on week( at least for a while), just nowhere near as fast as it might otherwise.

    and clearly you need to start them off wiith something achievable and turn it up over a few weeks
     
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    So gain that experience in sanctioned bouts. The benefits are:
    • Rules for player safety
    • Referees for player safety
    • Medical personnel on-site for player safety
    Are you noticing a theme here?

    Plus, I wouldn't exactly call myself young anymore. Maybe by @Dirty Dog 's standards. I'm not old yet, but I'm not young.
     
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    well there are different cultures in different places and different times and times of your life

    when i was young if someone challenged you to a fight, then, given any equality in size, you had a fight, it was just that simple

    that doesnt seem to be the case so muchthese days, which may be a good thing that casual violence isnt so casual .

    but there is it seems a lot more passivly agresive behavior, which doesnt happen so much if your likely to be punched on the nose, so its swings and round abouts

    i had some bigish guy walk 50 yards to give me a peice of his mind at the top of his voice,, when o ffered to fight him he left, dont get these people at all
     
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    Whippersnapper. GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
     
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    When the 8 steps praying mantis master Wei Shao-Tang was in his 70, one day he was sitting in a chair and watched his students training in the park. A Zimen system guy bowed to Wei first. the Zimen guy then stepped in, and poked his fingers tips on Wei's chest while Wei was still sitting in his chair. The Zimen guy then bowed and left without saying a word. Next day that Zimen guy announced that he was faster than the 8 step praying mantis master. He attacked Wei's chest, Wei could not even block it.

    When I cross trained the Zimen system, my Zimen brothers were proudly to tell me this. In Taiwan, if your name belong to the top 10 CMA masters list, every body will want to defeat you.

    8 steps praying mantis master Wei Shao-Tang.

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    If I heard someone bragging about that story, I would honestly laugh and leave. It just shows they want recognition without skill.
     
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    That part is their job. If the system can provide a routine that works for everyone in the class (so it can be done together), that's sufficient. As you suggest, most folks aren't going to go near 100%, but then most don't with any other part of their training, either.
     
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    Yeah, and if students are swayed by the ability to poke a 70-year-old guy in the chest without warning, there's not much real thought going on.
     
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    This is a very famous video clip. When the Chen Taiji master Chen Xiao Wang visited Taiwan from China, a young guy challenged him in push hand. After the young guy push on Chen's chest, the young guy announced that he had defeated the Taiji master Chen Xiao Wang.

    May be the MA culture in China and Taiwan is different from the MA culture in US.

     
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    From what you are describing, definitely. There's much less of a need to prove yourself in random challenges, and it's acknowledged that no one is invincible. Basically no one is going to win everything all the time, if I faced someone 100 times and won 99 of them- technically they beat me. But no one would think they were the more skilled of us.123
     
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