Martial Talk's GMA Martial Arts Lineages

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  1. Tony Dismukes

    Tony Dismukes MT Moderator Staff Member

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    That gets complicated and I don't always know all the names in the various lineages.

    Even the BJJ lineage is vastly oversimplified. It's basically just the direct line of who promoted whom leading to my current rank. If I were to post all the people I've learned from and all the people they've learned from, it would be a huge mess. I'd need at least twenty-seven full sized posters with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one.
     
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  2. Buka

    Buka Grandmaster

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    I'll have to do this in pieces.

    Tae-Kwon- Do - Billy Blanks, under Jong Soo Park, under Choi Hong Hi

    Grappling - Rickson Gracie, under Helio Gracie...under whoever taught Helio.
    Romalo Barros, under Rickson Gracie, under Helio Gracie...under whoever taught Helio.

    Impossible for me to trace my lineage in boxing. Most have since passed away, don't know who taught them.

    Karate is gonna' take a while.
     
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    Buka Grandmaster

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    Ya, but those would be some pretty cool posters. Fascinating, too.
     
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  4. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

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    You know, I once trained some Xingyi and Bagua with a guy who had a link to BP Chan and Frank Allen. I was never in the lineages but I once tried to figure out the lineage of BP Chan, and he never talked about it so that went no where. And then I saw a video of Frank Allen explaining his Xingyiquan lineage and that got so incredibly confusing I gave up trying to figure it out
     
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    I study Isshinryu Karate, an Okinawan style. I am a third-generation student of the founder. Everyone who knows my sensei knows my lineage; no one else needs to know.
     
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    Buka Grandmaster

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    You old fuddy duddy. We don't need to know. But it's kind of fun to discuss.
     
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    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

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    I NEEED to know :D
     
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    Personally couldn't care less about lineage. Lineage to me simply means who signs your grading certificate. I train at the club I train at because it's a convenient place to train and I enjoy it there not because of who's lineage it is.

    I find lineage just causes ego arguments by saying "my schools better than yours because of our lineage" which of course is untrue your teacher could've trained with the founder of your style doesn't mean he's any good of a teacher or practitioner.
     
  9. Bill Mattocks

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    And then another goofball calls my sensei on the phone or starts sending him emails. No thanks! It happens enough as it is - you'd be amazed how people react to what they read on public forums.
     
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    Alright Bill, I'll quit doing that, since you take it so personally...
     
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  11. Tony Dismukes

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    Yeah, quit bugging Bill's sensei with e-mails and phone calls. That's so impersonal and annoying. Do what I do and just show up at his house in person with a print-out of everything Bill has said online. Best to do it late at night so you know he's home. If the lights are out, just tap on the bedroom window. He'll be happy to know his student is making such an impression on people. :)
     
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    To me sharing lineage is just a way of finding more commonalities among people on the board and maybe learn some stuff about fellow posters.

    Maybe some posters find that their lineages intersect and will find that interesting.

    Maybe create more dialogue and discussions.
     
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    Lineage doesn't cause ego arguments - ego problems do that. Lineage is just a fact, something interesting to discuss to see how different folks' training is related. Anything beyond that is people putting too much stock in what lineage "should be" IMO.
     
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    I wouldn't. I had a bit of a run-in with someone years ago because I mentioned him in a forum. I still don't get it.
     
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    Yep!
     
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    Bill, I generally like your pugnacious attitude, but this is a very odd post.

    EDIT: LOL. Nevermind. I just read the rest of the thread, and while I'm glad I'm not the only one, my intent wasn't to pile on. :)

    But this does remind me of the old saying, "Those who know will never tell, and those who will tell will never know." Bill's mantra.
     
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    you know i use that line all the time and no one ever knows what the heck im saying or who officer Opie is.
     
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  18. Tony Dismukes

    Tony Dismukes MT Moderator Staff Member

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    I figured we've got enough older folks on the forum that at least a few people would get it.
     
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    I have to admit I don't.
     
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    See if this helps:

    "We walked in, sat down, Obie came in with the twenty seven eight-by-ten
    Colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back
    Of each one, sat down. Man came in said, "All rise." We all stood up,
    And Obie stood up with the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy
    Pictures, and the judge walked in sat down with a seeing eye dog, and he
    Sat down, we sat down. Obie looked at the seeing eye dog, and then at the
    Twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows
    And a paragraph on the back of each one, and looked at the seeing eye dog.
    And then at twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles
    And arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one and began to cry,
    'Cause Obie came to the realization that it was a typical case of American
    Blind justice, and there wasn't nothing he could do about it, and the
    Judge wasn't going to look at the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy
    Pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each
    One explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us. And
    We was fined $50 and had to pick up the garbage in the snow, but thats not
    What I came to tell you about."
    123
     
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