Kenpo and Aikijutsu

We can agree to disagree...I see it as just because the end user does not distinguish, does not make the practice right.

 

Well Aikijutsu and Aikijujutsu and Jujutsu are 3 different levels in Daito ryu and 3 distinct characteristics. If I do Taijiquan and explore the concept of "Aiki" it does not make Taijiquan Aikijujutsu. Most of what is Aikijutsu is karate mixed with Aikido, or perhaps an off shoot of an offshoot from Daito ryu. Is there other Koryu jujutsu that have the term Aiki in their art I believe so but finding another legit jujutsu school that is using it besides Daito ryu is rare.

 

What about before Daito Ryu? Where did that come from? Do we really know what jujutsu really means?

 

So... you're saying I am martially-schizophrenic. That does explain things....

 

Let's make it sound cook and suggest we all wear masks.

Like Batman.

 

OK, you be Batman. I'll be Daredevil. I like red.

 

takeda is accepted as the founder or preserver if you want to believe it as a historical art linked to the aizu and courts and all that. Well translating into English we only get an idea that is pretty much agreed upon.

 

Nice, but not what I said...what was before? Where did it come from?

 

There are a few arts that have aiki and aiki-like principles at some of their higher levels that I'm aware of, but none that use the term "aikijutsu" or similar.

(I love kitties, but to aid in clarity, I've adjusted your original quote, Gerry....)

If we come from a Koryu perspective? Is there another?

Before you think I'm being facetious, the term originates in Daito Ryu... it is a Daito Ryu-specific term, in fact. Modern arts that use the term tend to have no actual connection to the reality of it's usage, instead making up their own reasons, typically based in their own misunderstandings of the terms involved... as a result, personally, I will tend to dismiss them as irrelevant to the conversation. Of course, what you'd need to define is what is actually "consistent with jujutsu", and what an "aiki focus" actually means... as, to my mind, these "modern Aikijujutsu" systems do not have what would pass.

In other words, it's not misused from a linguistic perspective (inaccurate, sure, but that's a bit different), it's misused from a pedagogical and historical perspective.

There is no known usage of Aikijujutsu or Aikijutsu prior to Takeda Sokaku's use of the term in the late 1800's/early 1900's. Where did it come from? Takeda Sokaku. Do we know what Jujutsu really means? Yes. Do you?

The context of your comments wasn't particularly easy to parse... and Oaktree's comments were completely correct. And answered your questions, such as they are, based on the way you wrote them.

 

I was not talking about the usage of "Aiki" anything...but rather the training...there had to have been training before that...this may have been the focus or the specialized curriculum instructed, but again, what was instructed before that?

Yes I do know what actual historical meanings of jujutsu are...

There is no known usage of Aikijujutsu or Aikijutsu prior to Takeda Sokaku's use of the term in the late 1800's/early 1900's. Where did it come from? Takeda Sokaku. Do we know what Jujutsu really means? Yes. Do you?


Yes, if we fixate on a style or school and not core training.

The context of your comments wasn't particularly easy to parse... and Oaktree's comments were completely correct. And answered your questions, such as they are, based on the way you wrote them.[/QUOTE]