How to toughen up?

[jobo]

So, this time, you're just ignoring the usage in the dictionary (which contains both, by the way), and rather than use what you fully know was his meaning, you're just choosing the definition you wish to argue against (strawman). Thanks for clarifying that.

that's not a strawman argument, i chose the definition i wished to argue for, not against

in fact you saying its a strawman argument is itself a strawman argument

 

[_Simon_]

Actually he said 'psychology' papers. Phycology is the scientific study of algae.

I say we start discussing algae. We may actually get somewhere!!

 

[_Simon_]

flinching isn't a protective measure, no one has ever protected themselves from being hit by flinching

therefore it isnt protective mechanism otherwise we wouldn't be discussing how to stop it, we would be discussing how to learn it

no need for a peer reviewed study for that one,

No one... has.... ever......

Okeedokee!

What do YOU think the purpose of flinching is then?

 

[jobo]

No one... has.... ever......

Okeedokee!

What do YOU think the purpose of flinching is then?

i don't think it has a purpose, as i said its learn behaviour, not all learnt behaviour has a purpose, biting finger nails for instance

 

[_Simon_]

i don't think it has a purpose, as i said its learn behaviour, not all learnt behaviour has a purpose, biting finger nails for instance

Even biting finger nails has an underlying purpose or motive (anxiety, a feeling of being in control of at least something in one's life etc). Whether it actually achieves the goal is another thing.

To me flinching is a reflex which tries to protect vital areas of the body. It may not be successful, but it's the best the body has to deal with very fast dangerous stimuli coming at you (or even perceived dangerous stimuli). Just a biological instinct.

 

[dvcochran]

I don't think a person has to be super strong, at all, to have that spirit. It can help if one feels super strong, but the attacking spirit can be had without that.

Agree. Most of what I do in class is not very pretty anymore. But I hope my spirit shows through.

 

[jobo]

Even biting finger nails has an underlying purpose or motive (anxiety, a feeling of being in control of at least something in one's life etc). Whether it actually achieves the goal is another thing.

To me flinching is a reflex which tries to protect vital areas of the body. It may not be successful, but it's the best the body has to deal with very fast dangerous stimuli coming at you (or even perceived dangerous stimuli). Just a biological instinct.

self harm isn't a motivation or a purpose,

clear the best biological reaction is to move out of the way, 2 million years of evolution and your claiming the best available is to tense up, its not even the best for surviving the blow, which is to relax

ok if its a base level biological reaction why doesn't everyone do it ?

 

[_Simon_]

self harm isn't a motivation or a purpose,

clear the best biological reaction is to move out of the way, 2 million years of evolution and your claiming the best available is to tense up, its not even the best for surviving the blow, which is to relax

ok if its a base level biological reaction why doesn't everyone do it ?

I suggest you then look into why people self harm. Of course, it doesn't seem to make sense, every instinct/habit seems to be to protect the body, but this goes beyond that to identity, being in such numbness and apathy and wanting to just feel something, anything. Also can be a self punishment, feeling like one deserves it.

There's alot more under the surface of things.

Tensing up works to protect vital organs in the body, hence why we tense up when being hit in the stomach. Pretty good reason I'd say...

As for your last point, no idea! I won't claim to know something I don't know. Perhaps it is an instinct that gains more ground and sensitivity the more you learn to navigate in the world of form. You learn to flinch better to better try and protect yourself (key word being try, and an instinctive reflex, it's the best it's got naturally).

Like a baby learning to walk, it can't do it straight off the bat, but it learns, and it's driven to naturally want to walk on two legs.

 

[dvcochran]

I say we start discussing algae. We may actually get somewhere!!

I was surprised I actually knew what that word meant. We had a serious problem with it on a lake a few years ago and I learned way too much about algae.

 

[jobo]

I suggest you then look into why people self harm. Of course, it doesn't seem to make sense, every instinct/habit seems to be to protect the body, but this goes beyond that to identity, being in such numbness and apathy and wanting to just feel something, anything. Also can be a self punishment, feeling like one deserves it.

There's alot more under the surface of things.

Tensing up works to protect vital organs in the body, hence why we tense up when being hit in the stomach. Pretty good reason I'd say...

As for your last point, no idea! I won't claim to know something I don't know. Perhaps it is an instinct that gains more ground and sensitivity the more you learn to navigate in the world of form. You learn to flinch better to better try and protect yourself (key word being try, and an instinctive reflex, it's the best it's got naturally).

Like a baby learning to walk, it can't do it straight off the bat, but it learns, and it's driven to naturally want to walk on two legs.

you seem to have inconvieninced a lot of electrons, before coming to the rather obvious conclusion that you know nothing about the topic

 

[_Simon_]

you seem to have inconvieninced a lot of electrons, before coming to the rather obvious conclusion that you know nothing about the topic

... oh no...

I was referring to your last point there, as to why everyone doesn't do it. I don't know. Am actually willing to admit that as I have nothing at stake here. Just chatting.

I DIIIID presume we were just discussing and exchanging ideas, and not trying to claim the throne of who knows the most? I guess I've inconvenienced more electrons!

 

[Gweilo]

im not letting commoners drag me down to their level of idiom, because that would make me common as well

Pmsl, here we go jobo, I put the kids version here to help you understand, I thought there maybe too many big words in the proper version.

https://www.simplypsychology.org/stress-biology.html

 

[jobo]

... oh no...

I was referring to your last point there, as to why everyone doesn't do it. I don't know. Am actually willing to admit that as I have nothing at stake here. Just chatting.

I DIIIID presume we were just discussing and exchanging ideas, and not trying to claim the throne of who knows the most? I guess I've inconvenienced more electrons!

sorry mate, got caught up, we are just chatting

 

[quasar44]

I've recently taken up taekwondo again. I've going from ITF to WT and I could keep my red belt from ITF in the classes.
But I have noticed myself that I am not that tough that I wish I should be with that grade. I flinch, I avoid getting hit and I feel that I perform very sloppy techniques than what is required to my grade.
By "tough", I don't mean like a badass like we see in the action movies or series, but like that I could take a hit or a kick, then go in for another one without withdrawing from the opponent.

This really start to make be a bit demotivated to continue. I really love martial art, but I feel I maybe expect to much by myself?
Do someone of you have some tips how I can improve myself?

You mean TKD ???
You need to Broaden the brush

 

[skribs]

You mean TKD ???
You need to Broaden the brush

Cross-training is great. I don't see it as necessary yet for this guy, nor do I see it as a solution to the problem he presented.

 

[drop bear]

Cross-training is great. I don't see it as necessary yet for this guy, nor do I see it as a solution to the problem he presented.

It would work.

If he did 6 months in kyukoshin for example it wouldn't really harm his tkd but he would train with a focus on toughness.

 

[skribs]

It would work.

If he did 6 months in kyukoshin for example it wouldn't really harm his tkd but he would train with a focus on toughness.

He could also work on his toughness within TKD. Your process has a lot of extra steps in it to solve the problem.

 

[drop bear]

He could also work on his toughness within TKD. Your process has a lot of extra steps in it to solve the problem.

It has like two steps.

Join a kyuokashin school.

Get tougher.

 

[skribs]

It has like two steps.

Join a kyuokashin school.

Get tougher.

Maybe I should apologize to @jobo for saying he oversimplified something in another thread...because wow you took the cake right there.

 

[quasar44]

I've recently taken up taekwondo again. I've going from ITF to WT and I could keep my red belt from ITF in the classes.
But I have noticed myself that I am not that tough that I wish I should be with that grade. I flinch, I avoid getting hit and I feel that I perform very sloppy techniques than what is required to my grade.
By "tough", I don't mean like a badass like we see in the action movies or series, but like that I could take a hit or a kick, then go in for another one without withdrawing from the opponent.

This really start to make be a bit demotivated to continue. I really love martial art, but I feel I maybe expect to much by myself?
Do someone of you have some tips how I can improve myself?

You can gradually inc the intensity of sparing