How to toughen up?

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Talk' started by Faith, Dec 20, 2019.

  1. jobo

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    that's not a strawman argument, i chose the definition i wished to argue for, not against

    in fact you saying its a strawman argument is itself a strawman argument
     
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    I say we start discussing algae. We may actually get somewhere!!
     
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    No one... has.... ever......

    Okeedokee!

    What do YOU think the purpose of flinching is then?
     
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    i don't think it has a purpose, as i said its learn behaviour, not all learnt behaviour has a purpose, biting finger nails for instance
     
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    Even biting finger nails has an underlying purpose or motive (anxiety, a feeling of being in control of at least something in one's life etc). Whether it actually achieves the goal is another thing.

    To me flinching is a reflex which tries to protect vital areas of the body. It may not be successful, but it's the best the body has to deal with very fast dangerous stimuli coming at you (or even perceived dangerous stimuli). Just a biological instinct.
     
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    dvcochran Senior Master

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    Agree. Most of what I do in class is not very pretty anymore. But I hope my spirit shows through.
     
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  7. jobo

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    self harm isn't a motivation or a purpose,

    clear the best biological reaction is to move out of the way, 2 million years of evolution and your claiming the best available is to tense up, its not even the best for surviving the blow, which is to relax

    ok if its a base level biological reaction why doesn't everyone do it ?
     
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    I suggest you then look into why people self harm. Of course, it doesn't seem to make sense, every instinct/habit seems to be to protect the body, but this goes beyond that to identity, being in such numbness and apathy and wanting to just feel something, anything. Also can be a self punishment, feeling like one deserves it.

    There's alot more under the surface of things.

    Tensing up works to protect vital organs in the body, hence why we tense up when being hit in the stomach. Pretty good reason I'd say...

    As for your last point, no idea! I won't claim to know something I don't know. Perhaps it is an instinct that gains more ground and sensitivity the more you learn to navigate in the world of form. You learn to flinch better to better try and protect yourself (key word being try, and an instinctive reflex, it's the best it's got naturally).

    Like a baby learning to walk, it can't do it straight off the bat, but it learns, and it's driven to naturally want to walk on two legs.
     
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    I was surprised I actually knew what that word meant. We had a serious problem with it on a lake a few years ago and I learned way too much about algae.
     
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    you seem to have inconvieninced a lot of electrons, before coming to the rather obvious conclusion that you know nothing about the topic
     
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    ... oh no...

    I was referring to your last point there, as to why everyone doesn't do it. I don't know. Am actually willing to admit that as I have nothing at stake here. Just chatting.

    I DIIIID presume we were just discussing and exchanging ideas, and not trying to claim the throne of who knows the most? I guess I've inconvenienced more electrons!
     
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    Pmsl, here we go jobo, I put the kids version here to help you understand, I thought there maybe too many big words in the proper version.

    https://www.simplypsychology.org/stress-biology.html
     
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    sorry mate, got caught up, we are just chatting
     
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    You mean TKD ???
    You need to Broaden the brush
     
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    Cross-training is great. I don't see it as necessary yet for this guy, nor do I see it as a solution to the problem he presented.
     
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    It would work.

    If he did 6 months in kyukoshin for example it wouldn't really harm his tkd but he would train with a focus on toughness.
     
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    He could also work on his toughness within TKD. Your process has a lot of extra steps in it to solve the problem.
     
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    It has like two steps.

    Join a kyuokashin school.

    Get tougher.
     
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    Maybe I should apologize to @jobo for saying he oversimplified something in another thread...because wow you took the cake right there.
     
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    You can gradually inc the intensity of sparing123
     

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