How to toughen up?

[Gweilo]

Startle response - Wikipedia

 

[Gweilo]

FightingArts.com - Controlling The Flinch, The Blink And The Turn Away

 

[jobo]

Startle response - Wikipedia

FLICHING not startling- or are you saying people only flinch if startled >
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[Gweilo]

Psych 101

 

[Gweilo]

FLICHING not startling- or are you saying people only flinch if startled >
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Read it

 

[jobo]

FightingArts.com - Controlling The Flinch, The Blink And The Turn Away

you said there were ( peer reviewed) phycology papers that you lead me to believe you had read

in fact you told me to only believe phycology papers and your just posting general stuff that are not in anyway psychology papers.

So to be clear have you seen a PSYCHOLOGY paper that agrees with you or did you just make that up

 

[Gweilo]

Flinch | Meaning of Flinch by Lexico

 

[Gweilo]

Źzzzzzzzz

 

[jobo]

Flinch | Meaning of Flinch by Lexico

that does not appear to be a medical dictionary nor does it say its a '' startle response and anyway that should be clearly defined in these phycology papers you claim to have knowledge of

 

[jobo]

Read it

you said phycology papers, why would i be fobbed off with wikipedia ?

 

[Tez3]

you said phycology papers, why would i be fobbed off with wikipedia ?

Actually he said 'psychology' papers. Phycology is the scientific study of algae.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

If you think you are tough like a tiger, when a deer attack a tiger, that tiger will not turn it's head away. To develop that tiger spirit, you need to be super strong.

If you are a hammer, everybody will look like a nail to you.

I don't think a person has to be super strong, at all, to have that spirit. It can help if one feels super strong, but the attacking spirit can be had without that.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

flinching is a learnt response in people who are used to getting hit, getting hit some more isn't the solution

I think a lot of folks flinch without ever getting used to getting hit. It's a fairly typical natural reflex when something comes at the face. Not flinching is more often a learned response.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

people who have never been hit dont flinch, why would they ?

ok i had a rescue dog a good few years ago, that flinched every time i move my hand in his rough direction,

did i a) keep hitting him in the some what mistaken belief that he would get used to it and stop flinching
b) convince him my hand was not going to cause pain by not hitting him

clue it was B) though i did get bit quite a lot, i just convinced my self it didn't hurt and all was well after about 6 months

What you're talking about is an adapted use of the flinch response. That this exists doesn't mean the flinch is always a learned response.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

all of the time means all points in time, that then obviously includes everyone. unless of course they don't experience time. the only other meaning would be that it happens to these friends of yours continually without ever stopping and that would be silly


so if you didn't mean all of the time, what did you mean

Now you're just ignoring the common idiom, redefining things to mean what you wish them to.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Fair enough, but there are many types of flinch or what somone could call a flinch. its just generla advice if its not something negative dont bother trying to fix it.

Flinching in fight training, actually, IS negative. For the reason DB mentioned (in the post you quoted) and other reasons.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

flinching isn't a protective measure, no one has ever protected themselves from being hit by flinching

therefore it isnt protective mechanism otherwise we wouldn't be discussing how to stop it, we would be discussing how to learn it

no need for a peer reviewed study for that one,

Actually, it is. It may not be effective against a punch, but it is an instinctual attempt to protect the face (probably the eyes). It works all the time against flying insects, tree branches, etc. Our physical reflexes tend to be unspecialized that way.

 

[jobo]

Now you're just ignoring the common idiom, redefining things to mean what you wish them to.

im not redefining it, its the common idiom that redefined, i'm going with the original and quite obviously the best definition, im not letting commoners drag me down to their level of idiom, because that would make me common as well

 

[Gerry Seymour]

im not redefining it, its the common idiom that redefined, i'm going with the original and quite obviously the best definition, im not letting commoners drag me down to their level of idiom, because that would make me common as well

So, this time, you're just ignoring the usage in the dictionary (which contains both, by the way), and rather than use what you fully know was his meaning, you're just choosing the definition you wish to argue against (strawman). Thanks for clarifying that.

 

[jobo]

Actually, it is. It may not be effective against a punch, but it is an instinctual attempt to protect the face (probably the eyes). It works all the time against flying insects, tree branches, etc. Our physical reflexes tend to be unspecialized that way.

so hy do people flinch if there expecting to be hit from behind ? why do they flinch if there expecting to be kicked in the leg,