Gun Disarm, Pistol Front

[Bob Hubbard]

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Thread moved to "Horror Stories" forum due to direction of inquiry.

 

[MJS]

Sure I would love to train. E-mail me with the information. We can meet and chat. Do not advertise BJJ unless you are ranked. Other wise you are just MMA. I agree with the inner arm aspect or your coment, but it still will not stop a determined attacker. That is the problem. Those fancy sparing moves that are thaught go right out the window during hi threat. It goes basic my friend. So why train those technique..because it is an art form. I honestly think you freelance in your training and the only degree you might have is your kenpo belt. Ed

First off..Ed, check your PM. Second, what fancy sparring moves are you talking about?? Third, Im more than confident in my skills. At least i had the balls to post what I do!!! Where are your credentials???? I've seen many people asking for them, but you always seem to fail to deliver. What do you have to hide????

As I've said before, its not the belt around your waist but the knowledge that you have. I cross train in many arts to improve my skills. Just because I many not be ranked in them, does not mean that I cannot use a principle or idea to improve myself. Seems like your closed minded, uneducated statements are shining through again!!!

As for doing some training..why not. Shoot me a PM. Who knows, maybe I can learn something from you.

Mike

 

[MJS]

I agree with the inner arm aspect or your coment, but it still will not stop a determined attacker.

WHAT????? Ed, question for you. On the arm, where are the veins? Now, I'm probably not as educated as you are on the human body... ...but in my educated (or uneducated in your eyes) guess, I'd have to say that taking a hit on the inside of the arm compared to the top, is going to be worse. Again keep in mind, that those little stabs and slashes add up and will take a toll on the body. And just to add on to that..if someone was going to commit suicide by cutting their wrists, they cut the inside, not the top of the arm. They are not stabbing themselves, they are cutting themselves.

Your "superior" thoughts on this, oh Great Master of all fighting knowledge. Please share with us more of your wonderful experience.

Mike

 

[lonewolf12563]

Yeah they cut vertical not horizontal and it takes awhile. You have no clue. I am done.

 

[MJS]

Yeah they cut vertical not horizontal and it takes awhile. You have no clue. I am done.

LOL!! Ed, Ed, Ed....you always continue to amaze me. Are you honestly saying that you can predict how you'll be cut with a knife, if you were to be attacked??? I used the cutting of the wrists to prove a point. The fact of the matter is, is that there are many spots on the body that can be cut and will result in much blood loss.

You also continue to amaze me as to why you can't provide ANY credentials about yourself? Why is that Ed??? As for not being able to translate your diploma....not a problem. There are a few Japanese restaurants in the state and I'm sure the workers would not have a problem with that. Could it be that you, in reality are not what you say, and that you have no dimploma??? Afraid we might find something out about you? Why the cloak of mystery?? Oh wait..is it that top secret military stuff???

I also gotta love the fact that I didnt get a response back from you yet? I sent you an email as well as 2 pvt. messages. But thats ok...you know what, dont even bother. You go right ahead and do the training that you want. I know what I do, and I know what you do, and it certainly is NOTHING that I'd be interested in doing!

Again, no need to respond. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall...thick and stubborn!

Mike

 

[lonewolf12563]

Here moron check out this site and read about the difference between stabs and slashes. It even has pictures. http://www.forensicmed.co.uk/incised_wounds.htm

Ed

 

[Bob Hubbard]

More statistics:
http://www.folders-r-us.org/statistics.htm
http://www.t-mag.com/articles/175knife.html

The average slash may do less -physical- damage than the average stab. The psychological damage however can be quite different. First blood may setup the victim for the fatal stab.

You also must understand the difference between "Knife Fighter" vs. "Fighting With A Knife". There is a similar difference between a "Gun Fighter" vs "Fighting with a Gun".

You've made many claims.
Back them up, and while you are at it, since you asked others for their credentials and pissed all over their experience, post your credentials.

You claim your gun disarm was taught in the military.
What base?
Who was the instructor?
When?

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Ed,
US Army Combatives clearly advocates "Control the weapon".
http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/3-25.150/ch8.htm#sec2

An uncontrolled pistol can shoot you or others.

You're argument holds not water, nor any credibility.

 

[MJS]

Ed,
US Army Combatives clearly advocates "Control the weapon".
http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/3-25.150/ch8.htm#sec2

An uncontrolled pistol can shoot you or others.

You're argument holds not water, nor any credibility.

Good points Kaith! Funny thing is, is that I've said the same thing that is posted here

(3) Stun the attacker with an effective counterattack. Counterattack should be swift and devastating. Take the vigor out of the attacker with a low, unexpected kick, or break a locked joint of the attacking arm. Strikes to motor nerve centers are effective stuns, as are skin tearing, eye gouging, and attacking of the throat. The defender can also take away the attacker's balance.

and Mr.Ed, seemed to think that it was worthless. He rags on the KM disarms, which, and I'll admit are not the end all-be all to gun SD, but obviously they are using this exact same principle.

Mike

 

[MJS]

More statistics:
http://www.folders-r-us.org/statistics.htm
http://www.t-mag.com/articles/175knife.html

The average slash may do less -physical- damage than the average stab. The psychological damage however can be quite different. First blood may setup the victim for the fatal stab.

More excellent points! Even if its a small cut, over time they will add up, and will have an effect on the person getting them.

You also must understand the difference between "Knife Fighter" vs. "Fighting With A Knife". There is a similar difference between a "Gun Fighter" vs "Fighting with a Gun".

Unfortunately, Ed will never understand. He only understands one thing...and that being the crap that he does in his fantasy world!

You've made many claims.
Back them up, and while you are at it, since you asked others for their credentials and pissed all over their experience, post your credentials.

Yup, you're not the only one asking for those. His latest excuse is that they are in another language and that we wouldnt be able to understand them. Pleeeeze!!!

You claim your gun disarm was taught in the military.
What base?
Who was the instructor?
When?

Kaith- He probably wont be able to tell you because its probably too top secret...just like his credentials!!! :boing2:

Mike

 

[MJS]

Here moron check out this site and read about the difference between stabs and slashes. It even has pictures. http://www.forensicmed.co.uk/incised_wounds.htm


Speak for yourself lonepuppy!!! You know, there are many systems out there, which all have much to offer. The sad thing is, is that you are too closed minded and ignorant to realize any of that. If your style, system, or whatever you want to call that stuff, was soooooo good, and sooooo ultimate, then everybody would be coming from all over the world to train with the 'ultimate one' but thats simply not the case. Of course, I'm sure that you think someone like Dan Inosanto and the material that he teaches is crap too?? Lets see....learn from someone like Dan, who can back what he says, or someone like you, who hides behind a cloud of mystery??? Gee, which one should I pick???

Mike

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Another Language?

We've got guys living and working in Japan on this board...so if its in Japanese, they can translate it...hell, they will even know what it means at a deeper level than Mr. Ed there.

Chinese? Yup, we got those folks here too.

We even got a couple of folks who can read Klingon, just in case.

Hmm...is this it? http://www.tasteofdenver.com/goldendragon/menu/coverbak.jpg :rofl:

 

[lonewolf12563]

Kaith, your real name is Bob...are you a cross dresser? Ed

 

[lonewolf12563]

http://rustaz.com/creations/index.htm
Why I think you are fantasy boy!

 

[Bester]

Let us pause in Mr. Ed's proof of which portion of the horse he is, to examine his credentials. He of course will not reply, as to do so will prove his true fraud nature.

Itto Ogami Ryu is dedicated to providing world-class Jujutsu instruction, programs and facilities, and to helping our students realize the significant self-defense, self-improvement and physical fitness benefits of Jujutsu.

As the Samurai of old, the main reason for learning jujutsu was to protect oneself from attack by unarmed or armed assailants. The best defense is a strong offense. In our style you will learn simple, easy to learn techniques that will stop an attacker as quickly as possible. You will also learn many restraint techniques when the situation calls for a more controlled response.


Sensei Glasheen has been studying Jujutsu since 1980. He currently holds the rank of Menkyo ( teaching license). He served 11 years in the United States Army with the rank of Chief Warrant Officer. He is currently Chief Instructor at Itto Ogami Ryu Jujutsu New York.

Hmm....

Questions...questions....


Ah! ?When you made up the name for your style, why didn't you take the time to get the grammer for the name correct?


Reference: http://www.budoseek.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=48551&postcount=40

Hmm...paragraph 2 is standard marketing hype....

Ah, #3

"Sensei Glasheen has been studying Jujutsu since 1980."
Who with? What is your lineage?

"He currently holds the rank of Menkyo ( teaching license)."
Who issued it and when?

"He served 11 years in the United States Army with the rank of Chief Warrant Officer."
You were a CWO for 11 years? or reached it after 11 years service?
What grade? (There are 4)
What area os specialization?

11 years?

Private (E-2) - 6 months
Private First Class (E-3) - 1 year
Specialist/Corporal (E-4) - 18 months
Sergeant (E-5) - 4.2 years
Staff Sergeant (E-6) - 8.5 years
Sergeant First Class (E-7) - 13.6 years
Master Sergeant/First Sergeant (E-8) - 17 years
Sergeant Major (E-9) - 20.8 years

A CWO minimally has:

Minimum prerequisites:

Be a SGT (E5) or above
Have a minimum of four years operational experience in 75 series MOS
Be a 75 series MOS BNCOC graduate
Have 6 semester hours of college level English
Have 18 months experience supervising 75 series MOS soldiers documented on NCOER
Have a PMOS of 75B, F, H

References:
http://armedforcescareers.com/insignia_warrantofficers.html
http://leav-www.army.mil/wocc/whatiswo.htm
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/arwarrant/bl420a.htmhttp://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/arwarrant/bl420a.htm

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Kaith, your real name is Bob...are you a cross dresser? Ed

Nope, I'm usually very cheerful when I get dressed.

http://rustaz.com/creations/index.htm
Why I think you are fantasy boy!

Now Now, showing everyone a picture of me from the late 90's isn't really good research. Lets show a more current one:

http://rustaz.com/maresume.htm

I'm the one modeling the stylish MartialTalk t-shirt (yours for only $10, includes shipping to the contenental US)

Oh, and look!

There are all my credentials.
Who, what, where and when.

Gee.... Lets compare...oh wait... You have yet to really offer any up.

Unlike you, I offer my -full- credentials (limited as they are) for public scrutiny. Like other jackasses I've dealt with, you choose to attack a hobby of mine to deflect the attention back from your own inadequacies.

It don't work that way pal.

Let's stick to you. It is your ideas and credibility that is on trial here...not mine.

 

[muaythaifreak]

wow, this is the same moron that got banned from budoseek not long ago. Getting a warm reception everywhere you go I see. Looks like the guys at budoseek aren't the only ones noticing that your a fraud. Good form, at least your consistant with your bs.

 

[lonewolf12563]

Its funny the same morons that post at budo seek post here too! Hey bob you took my cross dressing coment very well. Bravo! Bester and MSG I mean MJS probably would have commited suicide by now.

Bester just so you get your Army facts right I joined the military in 1980. Was promoted to E-5 in 1982. To WO-1 in 1983. I worked in the Army until 1991 at which time I went "civilian". When that part of my life was completed I got a cushy job, as a civilian working for the Air Guard. So it is easy to pull some facts off some web site...but when you have been there not everything is written in stone.
Yes I am well aware of the fact that I named my ryu the way I did. I like wolfs and the whole lonewolf thing. So you can tell that desk jocky Cliff over at budo seek that I did on purpose. And if he was well verse on Japanese culture, each family named their ryu what they wanted. ie Kano ....Judo or did he steal that. So big F deal. Have another donut Cliff. Oh yeh I was banned because they do not belive in freedom of speach or did I tell them to stuff their membership. Get your facts straight and present them accordingly.
Anyone who thinks I am full of **** is more than welcome to visit and train. Or you wait until I open a school and join up. Ed

 

[muaythaifreak]

Its funny the same morons that post at budo seek post here too! Hey bob you took my cross dressing coment very well. Bravo! Bester and MSG I mean MJS probably would have commited suicide by now.

Bester just so you get your Army facts right I joined the military in 1980. Was promoted to E-5 in 1982. To WO-1 in 1983. I worked in the Army until 1991 at which time I went "civilian". When that part of my life was completed I got a cushy job, as a civilian working for the Air Guard. So it is easy to pull some facts off some web site...but when you have been there not everything is written in stone.
Yes I am well aware of the fact that I named my ryu the way I did. I like wolfs and the whole lonewolf thing. So you can tell that desk jocky Cliff over at budo seek that I did on purpose. And if he was well verse on Japanese culture, each family named their ryu what they wanted. ie Kano ....Judo or did he steal that. So big F deal. Have another donut Cliff. Oh yeh I was banned because they do not belive in freedom of speach or did I tell them to stuff their membership. Get your facts straight and present them accordingly.
Anyone who thinks I am full of **** is more than welcome to visit and train. Or you wait until I open a school and join up. Ed

Congratulations, your the only person I've ever heard of to make six pay grades in three years in any branch of the armed services. You should have remained in the military, you'd probably be chairman of the joint chiefs of staff by now. As for training with you, I'd be honored to do so. God only knows what I might learn from a military/martial arts mesiah such as yourself. Of course my limited training in Muay Thai and BJJ of the last nine years in conjunction with four years of training in the Marine Corps would surely hold no contest for someone of your advanced knowledge. But when you do open your "school" please let me know.

 

[Rich Parsons]

Oh yeh I was banned because they do not belive in freedom of speach or did I tell them to stuff their membership. Get your facts straight and present them accordingly.

Ed,

No disrespect. The internet is not 100% freedom of speach. Some sites are open. Most sites are owned by someone. Those people who own those sites technically control what and how can say what on their site. Here many people can say what they want. The Staff just asks that you keep in within the rules of MT. This is not an official warning, I am just posting this to let you know.

Regards

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