Your thoughts on these locks?

[Taiji Rebel]

No. But there is some flexibility

Do you also compete?
How many people in your club do compete?
Is there a technical system you follow?
Are there belts and grades etc?

 

[drop bear]

Do you also compete?
How many people in your club do compete?
Is there a technical system you follow?
Are there belts and grades etc?

No I don't compete.(I am thinking about doing a masters boxing for my 50th. Next year)

Some people do. Actually I think we have about 15 fighters gearing up for a show in September of different disciplines

There is definitely a technical theme.

The BJJ portion has belts.

 

[Taiji Rebel]

No I don't compete.(I am thinking about doing a masters boxing for my 50th. Next year)

Some people do. Actually I think we have about 15 fighters gearing up for a show in September of different disciplines

There is definitely a technical theme.

The BJJ portion has belts.

Are you too old to compete?
Is there an age-limit?
You say different disciplines - what does this mean?
What is the technical theme - the system, please tell me more about how this works?
Do you have a belt?

 

[drop bear]

Are you too old to compete?
Is there an age-limit?
You say different disciplines - what does this mean?
What is the technical theme - the system, please tell me more about how this works?
Do you have a belt?

I am too old to want to compete.

There is no age limit.

MMA almost always does classes like boxing, kickboxing, bjj,wrestling. Whatever depending on what the coaches are good at. And look. This could be karate or judo or basically anything. I know some ex tkd mmaers.

The technical theme is hard to explain. There are ideas that you sort of want to move from A to B in a fight. But a person's personal game may take them there in different ways.

So you get taught a bunch of skills then given this road map. But then you put your own emphasis on what skills you specialise in to follow that map.

I have a purple belt.

 

[Taiji Rebel]

I am too old to want to compete.

There is no age limit.

MMA almost always does classes like boxing, kickboxing, bjj,wrestling. Whatever depending on what the coaches are good at. And look. This could be karate or judo or basically anything. I know some ex tkd mmaers.

The technical theme is hard to explain. There are ideas that you sort of want to move from A to B in a fight. But a person's personal game may take them there in different ways.

So you get taught a bunch of skills then given this road map. But then you put your own emphasis on what skills you specialise in to follow that map.

I have a purple belt.

That is good to know. The modern martial arts dojo is not something I am familiar with. With all the different arts and classes/instructors it sounds similar to a fitness center. So, is there a grading system if you do not participate in the BJJ and only choose the MMA instead?

I take it you spar on a regular basis to test your techniques?

Mind you, if there are so many different styles being trained, how does sparring work?

 

[drop bear]

That is good to know. The modern martial arts dojo is not something I am familiar with. With all the different arts and classes/instructors it sounds similar to a fitness center. So, is there a grading system if you do not participate in the BJJ and only choose the MMA instead?

I take it you spar on a regular basis to test your techniques?

Mind you, if there are so many different styles being trained, how does sparring work?

The only grading is for BJJ. otherwise nothing.

Sparring works by me matching the system they do. So if they box I box. If the mma kick box, grapple. I will do those things.

Sometimes the specialists have to fill double duty and go outside their skill set.

 

[Taiji Rebel]

The only grading is for BJJ. otherwise nothing.

Sparring works by me matching the system they do. So if they box I box. If the mma kick box, grapple. I will do those things.

Sometimes the specialists have to fill double duty and go outside their skill set.

How do you learn to apply your locks in this kind of sparring?

 

[dunc]

This is the thing that I didn't like about how Jow Ga kung fu was often taught. Because no one used the techniques in fighting, no one would know how to "set it up" One thing I'm going to change when I train someone is that I will start to include the SetUps as part of the drill.

In terms of setting up standing wrist locks in gi fighting in my experience they fall into two categories: a) used as a way of gripping to compromise the arm during a larger takedown or b) they are performed very quickly immediately after a strike has compromised the opponent's structure so that the wrist is exposed for a moment

In no gi grappling they can be used very effectively as part of your grip fighting to expose elbows & set up arm drags etc or to punish collar ties by extending your opponent so that they are off balance allowing a take down (standing) or guard pass (floor)

 

[Taiji Rebel]

In terms of setting up standing wrist locks in gi fighting in my experience they fall into two categories: a) used as a way of gripping to compromise the arm during a larger takedown or b) they are performed very quickly immediately after a strike has compromised the opponent's structure so that the wrist is exposed for a moment

In no gi grappling they can be used very effectively as part of your grip fighting to expose elbows & set up arm drags etc or to punish collar ties by extending your opponent so that they are off balance allowing a take down (standing) or guard pass (floor)

When the contestant is bare-chested, are you allowed to grab a handful of skin in place of the Gi?

 

[drop bear]

How do you learn to apply your locks in this kind of sparring?

I grab them and wrist lock them.

 

[Taiji Rebel]

I grab them and wrist lock them.

Earlier you said you match the system you are sparring against - are you saying if they wrist-lock then you wrist-lock?

 

[Gerry Seymour]

This is the way that how the long fist system trains joint locking.

That looks like a flow drill, feeding each technique into the next. Am I correct? (The movements are foreign enough to me, I'm likely missing things.)

 

[Taiji Rebel]

Here is a good example of yielding (no resistance).

- A applies arm dragging to pull B.
- B borrows A's pulling force, add B's own pushing, and takes A down.

We learnt these concepts in our first week of Tomiki-Aikido classes

 

[Gerry Seymour]

That is good to know. The modern martial arts dojo is not something I am familiar with. With all the different arts and classes/instructors it sounds similar to a fitness center. So, is there a grading system if you do not participate in the BJJ and only choose the MMA instead?

I take it you spar on a regular basis to test your techniques?

Mind you, if there are so many different styles being trained, how does sparring work?

Since you're curious about MMA training, I'll share an experience as an outsider visiting.

I had a chance to visit briefly at the MMA gym where @Tony Dismukes teaches. It feels chaotic to me (because I'm used to a pretty traditional JMA training setting, which is pretty quiet), but mostly in a good way. There was music playing, and several training areas in the main room. I don't know how often they actually have multiple groups training at once, but they could easily have one group training in the cage, a BJJ or wrestling group working on the mats (I think there were two places for that - hard to remember), and a group working on striking on the many heavy bags along one wall. And I feel like I'm still leaving an area out - I think the main room was divided into 4 corners and a center area, plus the heavy bags.

It was a really cool set-up.

I got to see Tony teach a BJJ class. In overall feel, it was much like any BJJ or Judo class I've seen. The atmosphere is relaxed and focused.

I keep hoping to make it back to play again - hopefully with a bit more time this time (I was with a friend who had to get back home, so I had less time than I hoped).

 

[Gerry Seymour]

When the contestant is bare-chested, are you allowed to grab a handful of skin in place of the Gi?

I can't think of a situation where that would even work.

 

[drop bear]

Earlier you said you match the system you are sparring against - are you saying if they wrist-lock then you wrist-lock?

No I just make them put up with me doing it to them.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

We learnt these concepts in our first week of Tomiki-Aikido classes

It'll be much more prevalent and obvious in Tomiki Aikido, because of the very heavy Judo influence. (It exsits in mainline Aikido, as well, but not in the same way.)

 

[drop bear]

I can't think of a situation where that would even work.

There was a throw I learned back in the day where you grab the guy at about the floating ribs take a handful of flab on each side, roll your hands forwards and then sort of steering wheel them to the ground.

Called the nerve wheel throw, I think.

But it's a seriously duchebaggy move.

 

[Taiji Rebel]

It'll be much more prevalent and obvious in Tomiki Aikido, because of the very heavy Judo influence. (It exsits in mainline Aikido, as well, but not in the same way.)

Tomiki-Aikido's teaching system is very well structured. Traditional Aikido dojos are a little more disjointed in their approach. If you take away the philosophy and spiritual side of Aikido, it is no longer really Aikido - it just becomes another form of jujutsu.

 

[Taiji Rebel]

There was a throw I learned back in the day where you grab the guy at about the floating ribs take a handful of flab on each side, roll your hands forwards and then sort of steering wheel them to the ground.

Called the nerve wheel throw, I think.

But it's a seriously duchebaggy move.

It works well in the street - especially if you grab the skin on the face, or the ear, and give it a good hard rip

Try it out on various areas of the body and you will see the benefits - pain is a great equalizer, eye-gouges and muscle-strikes are good too

Apologies, have gone slightly off-topic again