Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs

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"In the old days, Xing-yi, Taichi and Bagua were one art (same family). it says, Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs"
I can understand what this means in regards to the skillsets of "Xing-yi hands and Taichi waist", but can anyone explain what the Bagua legs skillset entails?
 

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In the old days they were not one art, Xingyiquan and Baguazhsng were very different arts brought together when Dong Hai Chuan (Bagua) allegedly fought Guo Yunshen (Xingyiquan) to a draw sometime before 1882. Taijiquan got thrown into the mix by Sun Lutang before 1933.

Historically, not mythically
Baguazhang was developed by Dong Hai Chuan sometime before 1882
Xingyiquan dates to sometime between 1809 and 1888
Taijiquan, Chen family, between 1580–1660

None of them need the other to work well, if trained properly.
 
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The thing that comes to my mind for bagua legs is their circle walking, and fluidity of movement. So according to that quote, combining that fluidity and circle-walking ability/footwork with the other two were ideal.

That said, like xue stated they weren't made with the intention of being combined.
 

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The thing that comes to my mind for bagua legs is their circle walking, and fluidity of movement. So according to that quote, combining that fluidity and circle-walking ability/footwork with the other two were ideal.

That said, like xue stated they weren't made with the intention of being combined.

Both styles were fairly popular with fighters and security type folk in old China. But Xingyiquan was used by the Chinese army in WW2
 

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can anyone explain what the Bagua legs skillset entails?
You use leg to attack your opponent's leading leg, when he steps back, you use the same leg (or different leg) to attack his other leg.

As far as I know, this strategy is not commonly used in most MA systems.

Here is an example. You use your shin bone to run into your opponent's leading leg. When he steps back, you use the same leg (or different leg) to run into his other leg. If he steps back again, you can ...

Of course when your opponent pays attention on your leg, you can punch on his head.

Chang-foot-sweep.gif
 

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"In the old days, Xing-yi, Taichi and Bagua were one art (same family). it says, Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs"
I can understand what this means in regards to the skillsets of "Xing-yi hands and Taichi waist", but can anyone explain what the Bagua legs skillset entails?

The only place I see that kind of statement used is in describing Liu He Ba Fa, or the 99 posture Tai Chi form created by Chen Pan Ling. But as Xue Sheng points out, they rose in history separately.
 

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The only place I see that kind of statement used is in describing Liu He Ba Fa, or the 99 posture Tai Chi form created by Chen Pan Ling. But as Xue Sheng points out, they rose in history separately.

Thank you, you just made me think of something I had forgotten

"In the old days, Xing-yi, Taichi and Bagua were one art (same family). it says, Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs"
I can understand what this means in regards to the skillsets of "Xing-yi hands and Taichi waist", but can anyone explain what the Bagua legs skillset entails?

Should also add that the terminology "Xingyi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs" is associated with Sun style Taijiquan, which is a combination of all 3. So likely this is an invention of Sun Lutang.
 

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You use leg to attack your opponent's leading leg, when he steps back, you use the same leg (or different leg) to attack his other leg.

As far as I know, this strategy is not commonly used in most MA systems.

Here is an example. You use your shin bone to run into your opponent's leading leg. When he steps back, you use the same leg (or different leg) to run into his other leg. If he steps back again, you can ...

Of course when your opponent pays attention on your leg, you can punch on his head.

Chang-foot-sweep.gif
Interesting video. We have that exact sweep combo in one of our forms. I tended to view them as simply the sweep done on either side, application done separately. But I like this application, straight out of the form.
 

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Here is another shin bite and reverse shin bite application that added into the Taiji "Ji - press forward".

Taiji hand skill + leg skill = throw.

Lin-Taiji-Ji.gif
 
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