Who is the OLDEST person in the forum?

[Doc]

Originally posted by hardheadjarhead
Well, Doc, you may be the oldest.

Age is something respected in Asia. And I think those in this forum respect it as well.

Not all of the silverbacks on this forum have trained 47 years, though. That's pretty impressive. Some of us have been recalling the horrendous styles of the '70's, Watergate, Kent State...Doc might have an "I Like Ike" button in his memorabilia!

I had gotten out of touch with older martial artists until recently. I'd been doing Combat Submission Wrestling...at the seminars and the classes few, if any, were over thirty. I hit a Modern Arnis camp last month and there were at least eight people my age or older. It was nice to see that.

Regards,

Steve

" I Like Ike." A good Republican for sure. "Back in the day," There were "real masters" teaching and everyone grappled because almost everyone started in one of the many organized Kodakan Judo programs at Boys Clubs and YMCA's throughout the country. Like everything else, grappling has come and gone in cycles. This is the third time grappling has "come around" in my lifetime. It was better back then and much more popular. I spent many a day at the Olympic Auditorium in L.A. down the street from Trade Tech College. They rotated every night between wrestling, boxing, and then they would slip in Roller Derby. "Whooooooooaaaa Nellie."

My back hurts.

 

[hardheadjarhead]

"Back in the day," There were "real masters" teaching and everyone grappled because almost everyone started in one of the many organized Kodakan Judo programs at Boys Clubs and YMCA's throughout the country.

I remember when I started most of the senior instructors knew Shotokan AND Judo (Karate Association of Hawaii--1973). Later when I got into TKD the Koreans knew TKD and Judo and Hapkido. Some even knew Sireum...a Korean form of wrestling.

As you point out, cross training and grappling are nothing new. People are discovering what was there all along.

It'd be neat to be able to go way, way back and see what they were doing in the 1920's and earlier. One of my students saw a WWII video of Jack Dempsey teaching a close combat class for troops...he did a throw, a knee on stomach, and started punching.

I met Dempsey when I was six years old...a BIG man (although my perspective was skewed...I was pretty small). Even in his eighties he looked like he could take someone out with a punch. I heard some years later that this actually happened when he was accosted by muggers...one of whom had a knife. Two punches...two shattered jaws. Two thugs in the hospital. It could be an urban myth. I hope not. I like to believe that an old, old former world heavyweight champ could pull this off. From what I saw...I believe he could.

Regards,

Steve

 

[Bujingodai]

Guess I'm middle of the road at 32 then I'm considered old in my bunch.

 

[Doc]

Originally posted by hardheadjarhead
I remember when I started most of the senior instructors knew Shotokan AND Judo (Karate Association of Hawaii--1973). Later when I got into TKD the Koreans knew TKD and Judo and Hapkido. Some even knew Sireum...a Korean form of wrestling.

As you point out, cross training and grappling are nothing new. People are discovering what was there all along.

Steve

Yes the newbies think "crosstraining" is something new. The way you studied in the old days wasn't about style, but information, and you took it from where ever and whom ever you could get it. Now they've adopted the "sport" interpretation of crosstraining to better "compete." That's not crosstraining because the information is too limited in application.

Everyone intermingled except the Chinese who kept everything to themselves because for the most part, they were the original keepers of the information, so everyone else was trying to perfect and decipher what they already knew.

Even among the Chinese it was not so much style as methodolgy. Ed Parker and Jimmy Woo both told me, "It's all the same, it's just a matter of what method you use to study and what you choose to specialize in while learning." All the true masters never argued style, only knowledge.

I have an old friend I came up in the arts with. Now he is a Senior Guru in Pentjak. The similarities between what he sees us do and his own are remarkebly alike. We may call it something different, but he does the same things anatomically that we do and is very effective.

His Pendekar always says "At the top, it's all the same. They only argue on the bottom because of what they don't know."

Sounds good to me.

 

[hardheadjarhead]

Wow.

Lotta wisdom in that post. I call that one a keeper.


Steve

 

[Mon Mon]

I did not realize we had so many OLD FARTS on Martial Talk.

 

[Disco]

The view from the top of the mountain is the same for all. The only difference is the journey to get there.:asian:

 

[hardheadjarhead]

I did not realize we had so many OLD FARTS on Martial Talk.

Anybody under forty is a "kid", in my book.

My wife was saying the yesterday it'd be nice to have the body of a sixteen year old and the wisdom acquired by age. I suppose that would mean that we'd all have plump investment accounts by 25...and have a house or condo paid off.

I don't know if I ever want to go through that youthful testosterone rage age again. I don't think ANY wisdom could dampen it, and I'd likely go off and do stupid things...again.

<shudder>

Better to just suck down the Celebrex and Tylenol and let nature run its course. Age does indeed have its merits, along with its aches.

And then of course...there is always Viagra.

But I've never used that awful drug. And I never will again.

Honest.


Steve

 

[Rich Parsons]

Originally posted by hardheadjarhead
Anybody under forty is a "kid", in my book.
. . .
But I've never used that awful drug. And I never will again.

Honest.

Steve

Steve, I am kid, YEAH! I have been saying this for years, to the protest of many around me .

Me thinks you have mistyped And, I never Will, Again, I state this as before.

 

[KenpoTess]

well you ask anyone who knows me ... they will attest that I'm never gonna act whatever 'my age' is supposed to act like *G* I'm the most proverbial child there is.. Oh Sure I can be very adult when need be *smirks*
but the rest of the time.. bah.. release your inner child and Have fun~!!!

 

[hardheadjarhead]

There have been those times in the presence of adults where I've been accused of being immature. Oddly, when I teach children, the same behavior is viewed as a "gift."

Now I've seen Rich play "Sumo" with kids. He has an inner child. It weighs about 230...but he does in fact have an inner child.

Oh Sure I can be very adult when need be *smirks*

To quote Austin Powers: "Oh, beHAVE!"

Amazing how often I "need" to be an adult if you look at it that way. Mature audiences only. Parental discretion advised.

Steve

 

[KenpoTess]

I lived way too many wasted years trying to be all adult.. most of those years were from age 10 on up... when suddenly it hit me.. I am going about this all wrong~! There's nothing at all wrong with having the wondrous feelings of childhood as an adult. You will see me Moooing at Cows, scampering through a meadow chasing a butterfly, waking up happy in the morning looking forward to nothing more than a pretty sunshine day..
Probably sounds corny etc. but I gave up the anger and stress of many years not knowing what the problem was.. when it dawned on me.. the problem was.. I wasn't having 'Fun' anymore out of life..
I am a much happier person since

 

[hardheadjarhead]

Okay, Tess...this is for you, who moos at cows.....

WARNING

When I am an old woman I shall wear purple
With a red hat which doesn't go and doesn't suit me.
And I shall spend my pension on brandy and summer gloves
And satin sandals, and say we've no money for butter.
I shall sit down on the pavement when I'm tired
And gobble up samples in shops and press alarm bells
And run my stick along the public railings
And make up for the sobriety of my youth.
I shall go out in my slippers in the rain
And pick the flowers in other people's gardens . . .
But maybe I ought to practice a little now?
So people who know me are not too shocked and surprised
When suddenly I am old, and start to wear purple.

-Jenny Joseph

1961




Regards,

Steve

 

[KenpoTess]

Thanks Steve~! That is one of my favorites~! I must procur a purple hat ~!!

 

[hardheadjarhead]

Or a red one, like in the poem, that doesn't go and doesn't suit you...


Nice new Avatar, by the way. It reflects your inner child.

Regards,

Steve

 

[KenpoTess]

thankya *does the snoopy happy dance in my chair* *G*

 

[Quick Sand]

WARNING

When I am an old woman I shall wear purple
With a red hat which doesn't go and doesn't suit me.
And I shall spend my pension on brandy and summer gloves
And satin sandals, and say we've no money for butter.
I shall sit down on the pavement when I'm tired
And gobble up samples in shops and press alarm bells
And run my stick along the public railings
And make up for the sobriety of my youth.
I shall go out in my slippers in the rain
And pick the flowers in other people's gardens . . .
But maybe I ought to practice a little now?
So people who know me are not too shocked and surprised
When suddenly I am old, and start to wear purple.

-Jenny Joseph

1961

I've never seen that poem before but it's awesome. !
I'm only 22 and trying to have a good time while I can. I used to totally stress about my marks and stupid stuff at school but the last year or so I've decided that I can still do fine and have a social life and a good time too. I'm trying not to stress about nearly as much because in 20 years it probably won't make a difference if I got 75's or 95's in school but it will matter if I have friends and I'm not a crazy stress case.

Plus I like purple.

 

[Rich Parsons]

Originally posted by hardheadjarhead
. . .
Now I've seen Rich play "Sumo" with kids. He has an inner child. It weighs about 230...but he does in fact have an inner child.
. . .

Steve,

My inner child is 230, then that means I am about 45-55 lbs.

 

[hardheadjarhead]

You svelte beast.

I myself am trying to diet down to a size 12.

Its hard, though. My inner child keeps raiding the cookie jar and my inner warrior is on a mass building routine.


Regards,

Steve

 

[Dan Anderson]

Originally posted by Doc


Even among the Chinese it was not so much style as methodolgy. Ed Parker and Jimmy Woo both told me, "It's all the same, it's just a matter of what method you use to study and what you choose to specialize in while learning." All the true masters never argued style, only knowledge.

His Pendekar always says "At the top, it's all the same. They only argue on the bottom because of what they don't know."

Sounds good to me.

Yep. Good post, Doc.

Yours,
Dan