What is your motivation?

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Could this be a case of undiagnosed pagotophobia?
I didn’t even need to look that up 😐

It’s not a fear of ice cream, like someone with coulrophobia, arachibutyrophobia, pogonophobia (šŸ˜‰) , vestiphobia( I’m looking at you, @Wing Woo Gar) or Omphalophobia (I have two these days so could star in very nichĆ© horror films). I just think ice cream is overrated a bit like glazed donuts, Marvel/DC, bottled water, iceberg lettuce, amusement parks, social media, designer fashion and wellness supplements!
 
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I didn’t even need to look that up 😐

It’s not a fear of ice cream, like someone with coulrophobia, arachibutyrophobia, pogonophobia (šŸ˜‰) , vestiphobia( I’m looking at you, @Wing Woo Gar) or Omphalophobia (I have two these days so could star in very nichĆ© horror films). I just think ice cream is overrated a bit like glazed donuts, Marvel/DC, bottled water, iceberg lettuce, amusement parks, social media, designer fashion and wellness supplements!
My clothing is engraved onto my body, a ā€œhorimonoā€, thusly I am never truly naked and have no need for layering.
 
Good motivations.


I use the gym very effectively for the first one, Youtube kitten/puppy videos for the second and I don’t like people.

Not that’s a very interesting statement. What is it about (very controlled) fighting you don’t like? As a young man I didn’t like it either but as I got older and became more fearless, I really took to it and saw it as an avenue to test what I’d learned.

Very true in the UK (excluding London!)

I’m very sceptical of the self-growth type statements. You need to want to grow for the TMA to provide the fertile ground for that growth and I find asignificant proportion of TMA to be knob’eads (as we say in these parts).

I recently read a psychology paper (I know, I know but I used it for toilet paper after I’d finished ) about ā€˜Roid Rage’ and general aggressive tendencies in anabolic steroid abusers. Its research found that anabolic steroids didn’t significantly increase aggressiveness in abusers at all and concluded that ā€˜ā€¦aggressiveness in steroid users was a indicator of pre-abuse levels, sometimes latent, of aggressiveness…’ In other words, a ā€˜nice, emotionally balanced person’ is unlikely to display roid rage whereas a c**t is!

I think it’s the same with TMA abusers šŸ˜šŸ˜‰
Fighting seems to appeal more to younger guys. Sparring helps to develop attributes for competition and organised matches. Even when younger competition of any type wasn't appealing. The movement patterns and fitness aspects of the FMA hold my interest much more than the fighting applications. It's still early days in the martial arts and I am continually learning from the challenges it presents.
 
Pervert šŸ˜‘

I wonder if I could have chevrons tattooed on my…to make it look longer šŸ¤” I need quite a few though and I’m not sure I could take the pain.
When I was a young teen my friends and I were getting tattooed a lot. My friend got the threads of a screw tattooed on his… My other friend got purple polka dots, and a third got crazy googly eyes on the glans. I opted out on that area for tattooing. I skipped head, neck, hands, and genitals, but did tattoo nearly everything else. BTW Marishiten is going quite well.
 
Fighting seems to appeal more to younger guys. Sparring helps to develop attributes for competition and organised matches. Even when younger competition of any type wasn't appealing. The movement patterns and fitness aspects of the FMA hold my interest much more than the fighting applications. It's still early days in the martial arts and I am continually learning from the challenges it presents.
I think you have this completely topsy-turvy! It’s like saying you are more interested in the choreography, costumes and other paraphernalia when learning to tango than actually tango dancing itself (not like Iaido at allšŸ˜‘). Competition and ā€˜organised matches’ have no place in TMA. They feed the ego and corrupt the art for the sake of entertainment. The ā€˜movement patterns’ are derived from actual combat and like, the child’s game ā€˜Telephone’, without the reinforcement of free sparring, the ā€˜meaning’ is likely to drift and efficacy become blunted until you’re just…well dancing.

The confrontation and violence of free sparring, especially against a better fighter is unpleasant for some, but unfortunately it’s the only way to maintain some sort of vitality in one’s combat art.
 
The confrontation and violence of free sparring, especially against a better fighter is unpleasant for some, but unfortunately it’s the only way to maintain some sort of vitality in one’s combat art.
This "unpleasant" feeling IMO is complicated as it can have roots in both physical and mental areas.

1. Fear of getting hurt/injured
2. Fear of losing - a hit on one's ego
3. Fear of further feeding one's current lack of self-confidence
4. Going against one's inclination of being non-aggressive by nature

I think most of us have experienced at least one or more of these in our early MA journey. Experience in sparring will lessen or remove most of this aversion to sparring - (a bit contradictory sounding, but true). Some may never be able to get rid of one of these sources of discomfort but at least be able to subjugate it during the match. "You don't have to like it; you just have to do it." I agree that it's the only way to achieve "vitality" in combat ability. Easier for some than others. It takes a level of commitment and courage to accomplish this - to face your fears and execute in spite of it. This may be someone's most important accomplishment in their MA journey.
 
This "unpleasant" feeling IMO is complicated as it can have roots in both physical and mental areas.

1. Fear of getting hurt/injured
2. Fear of losing - a hit on one's ego
3. Fear of further feeding one's current lack of self-confidence
4. Going against one's inclination of being non-aggressive by nature

I think most of us have experienced at least one or more of these in our early MA journey. Experience in sparring will lessen or remove most of this aversion to sparring - (a bit contradictory sounding, but true). Some may never be able to get rid of one of these sources of discomfort but at least be able to subjugate it during the match. "You don't have to like it; you just have to do it." I agree that it's the only way to achieve "vitality" in combat ability. Easier for some than others. It takes a level of commitment and courage to accomplish this - to face your fears and execute in spite of it. This may be someone's most important accomplishment in their MA journey.
Your four points are spot on. I hated damaging fingers and toes resulting in swollen joints. My second biggest toe is as long as my legs so very prone to crushing in front kick. 😐 They’d take me months to get over these days.

But it has to be done to call yourself a martial artist, in my opinion. I hope it’s done progressively and amongst nurturing colleagues to make it more palatable.

Whenever I can, I free sparred with bokutō to keep things vital and have even contemplated asking a local informal HEMA group, who meet on a local beach, if I might try sparring with them but they’d probably make mincemeat out of me and a couple of them are ā€˜not of good character’! 😳
 
I think you have this completely topsy-turvy! It’s like saying you are more interested in the choreography, costumes and other paraphernalia when learning to tango than actually tango dancing itself (not like Iaido at allšŸ˜‘). Competition and ā€˜organised matches’ have no place in TMA. They feed the ego and corrupt the art for the sake of entertainment. The ā€˜movement patterns’ are derived from actual combat and like, the child’s game ā€˜Telephone’, without the reinforcement of free sparring, the ā€˜meaning’ is likely to drift and efficacy become blunted until you’re just…well dancing.

The confrontation and violence of free sparring, especially against a better fighter is unpleasant for some, but unfortunately it’s the only way to maintain some sort of vitality in one’s combat art.
We all come to the martial arts for different reasons. The choreography is especially useful in action movies and other forms of playfighting. Theatrical arts like wrestling, both the American and British versions, are also inspiring. I agree that competition and organised matches are not usually a part of the TMA but understand the benefits of sparring. Our FMA classes feature sparring each week - I am quite happy to take part and have no aversion to such exercises. It is fun to practice the FMA and learn the combat applications but I still have no real interest in use these aspects in reality. The classes help with my fitness and the community bond also holds great appeal. All in all, I have made a great decision in choosing to study the Filipino Martial Arts.
 
We all come to the martial arts for different reasons. The choreography is especially useful in action movies and other forms of playfighting. Theatrical arts like wrestling, both the American and British versions, are also inspiring. I agree that competition and organised matches are not usually a part of the TMA but understand the benefits of sparring. Our FMA classes feature sparring each week - I am quite happy to take part and have no aversion to such exercises. It is fun to practice the FMA and learn the combat applications but I still have no real interest in use these aspects in reality. The classes help with my fitness and the community bond also holds great appeal. All in all, I have made a great decision in choosing to study the Filipino Martial Arts.
You’re absolutely right and I suppose motivation is entirely personal and valid. Never stop loving your practice and I’m sure you won’t!
 
Competition and ā€˜organised matches’ have no place in TMA. They feed the ego and corrupt the art
Many karate masters of the first half of the 20th century expressed their dismay at the art becoming sport. The goals of sport and TMA are often at odds with each other. In order to fit the square peg of traditional karate into the round hole of sport, its corners and edges have to be filed off, changing its nature.
I agree that competition and organised matches are not usually a part of the TMA
Not quite what Gyakuto said (see first quote above). Sport karate, at least, has evolved into its own thing and is widely practiced.
 
We all come to the martial arts for different reasons. The choreography is especially useful in action movies and other forms of playfighting. Theatrical arts like wrestling, both the American and British versions, are also inspiring. I agree that competition and organised matches are not usually a part of the TMA but understand the benefits of sparring. Our FMA classes feature sparring each week - I am quite happy to take part and have no aversion to such exercises. It is fun to practice the FMA and learn the combat applications but I still have no real interest in use these aspects in reality. The classes help with my fitness and the community bond also holds great appeal. All in all, I have made a great decision in choosing to study the Filipino Martial Arts.
For whatever it's worth, I love this post. (And I realise I'm in a karate sub-forum. I'm hoping that, if I say MAE GERI loudly enough, I'll get away with it.)

I'm right there with you in that I'm not so interested in "reality" (whatever that means). I am interested in verisimilitude. Does this move do what it says it'll do on the tin? Whether that answer ever holds any real-life value for me doesn't matter. I'm practicing a martial art largely for its own sake. Not because I feel I need to survive in the concrete jungle.

The value of sparring, to me, is to 1) test technique to see whether it's doing what it claims to do and 2) expose me to things I'm not going to experience elsewhere in my life (i.e., physical conflict).

Finally, I couldn't agree more on the idea of community. The feeling of being "let in" to another culture and family. I'll take community over tactical any day. I spar to come to grips with my own fears, limitation, etc. Not to prepare myself for survival.
 
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