what is the real Ving Tsun, Wing Tsun , Wing Chun ?

[Ace-of-Spades7 6]

what is the real system?

 

[Xue Sheng135 7]

Not sure what you mean by this

 

[wckf9215 13]

Yeah, how do you define "real"?

 

[Ace-of-Spades7 6]

Yeah, how do you define "real"?

Authentic

 

[Xue Sheng135 7]

I’m sorry, but “authentic” meaning what exactly? authentic how?

Authentic is defined as being real, genuine, and true to what it claims to be, rather than a copy, fake, or imitation.

Many wing chun schools are Authentic, just with different lineages

 

[Kung Fu Wang144 175]

what is the real system?

Any real MA system should blend leaning, crashing, squeezing, and driving into one, delivering extremely destructive close‑range impact.

 

[_Simon_144 175]

Not sure what you mean by this

The real one Xue. The real Wing Chun, please stand up.

 

[Ace-of-Spades7 6]

I’m sorry, but “authentic” meaning what exactly? authentic how?

Authentic is defined as being real, genuine, and true to what it claims to be, rather than a copy, fake, or imitation.

Many wing chun schools are Authentic, just with different lineages

Is Leung Ting WT authentic?

 

[Cynik7512 1]

what is the real system?

This is a question/problem typical of combat systems that lack sufficient opportunities for full-contact combat (zero or very few sparring sessions, few or no full-contact competitions). Instead of focusing on developing (based on experience) the necessary combat skills, they waste time speculating about who has the longer...
If I worried about whether my BJJ school was authentic, and my coach was definitely doing everything the way Maeda showed Helio, I probably wouldn't have advanced beyond white belt level to this day.
Combat systems evolve just like all areas of human endeavor. Are today's airplanes not authentic because they barely resemble the Wright brothers' airplane?

 

[Xue Sheng135 7]

Is Leung Ting WT authentic?

I am still not sure what you are after here.
Leung Ting was a Student of Ip Man. My teachers lineage goes to Leung Sheung, who was also a student of Ip Man. Ip Man had a lot of students who went on to teach Wing Chun. There are also lineages of Wing Chun that have nothing to do with Ip Man.

Allegedly Ip Man taught them all a little differently. Also I have no doubt that as he got older he taught differently than he taught when he first started.

So, you see, I am not sure what you are looking for as "Authentic"

 

[Xue Sheng135 7]

The real one Xue. The real Wing Chun, please stand up.

I don't know...one of these I guess

 

[Ace-of-Spades7 6]

I am still not sure what you are after here.
Leung Ting was a Student of Ip Man. My teachers lineage goes to Leung Sheung, who was also a student of Ip Man. Ip Man had a lot of students who went on to teach Wing Chun. There are also lineages of Wing Chun that have nothing to do with Ip Man.

Allegedly Ip Man taught them all a little differently. Also I have no doubt that as he got older he taught differently than he taught when he first started.

So, you see, I am not sure what you are looking for as "Authentic"

but was Leung Ting a "closed door student" ?

 

[Callen1]

but was Leung Ting a "closed door student" ?

Depends on who you ask. Wing Chun politics are problematic for numerous reasons.

 

[Ace-of-Spades7 6]

Depends on who you ask. Wing Chun politics are problematic for numerous reasons.

But is his "style" different to say Ip Chun ?

 

[Callen1]

But is his "style" different to say Ip Chun ?

Depends on how you define “style” and how that fits into your narrative. Leung Ting’s Wing Chun (WT) is different from Ip Chun’s, and the same can be said of almost any of Yip Man’s students.

Differences in expression are common among Yip Man’s students.

 

[APL7610 1]

I'll chip in here, probably against my better judgement.
Firstly, the concept of "authenticity" is problematic. Without going into my academic work too much, essentially, what authenticity is depends on what the person asking the question wants to be true. Basically, it's a BS concept that lends something validity based entirely upon subjective expectations and needs.

Authenticity in terms ow Wing Chun?? God knows.

But for me - I do both Yip Man and Sum Nung wing chun.
Yip Man Wing Chun - paired down, accessible, practical and efficient.
Sum Nung Wing Chun - simple but intricately detailed, difficult, practical, murderously effective.

Which one is "Authentic"? Probably both, but I'd also say, probably the Sum Nung stuff.

 

[Ace-of-Spades7 6]

murderously effective

That sounds illegal

 

[Ace-of-Spades7 6]

Depends on how you define “style” and how that fits into your narrative. Leung Ting’s Wing Chun (WT) is different from Ip Chun’s, and the same can be said of almost any of Yip Man’s students.

Differences in expression are common among Yip Man’s students.

But Leung Ting claimed to be a closed door student of Ip Man but...many dispute his claims

 

[Ace-of-Spades7 6]

How much Wing Tsun is in Jeet kune do?

 

[Callen1]

But Leung Ting claimed to be a closed door student of Ip Man but...many dispute his claims

Whether he was a private student or not, differences in expression are common (and expected) among Yip Man’s students.