Wing Woo Gar
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You are killing me because I can’t get any air!
The 'Vampire Straw' so-called dual-purpose self-defense tool
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I just got one as a gift last week. What do you guys think about this SD tool - BLACKJACK SLAPPER?
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Can confirm. I worked security at a courthouse for almost 2 years. We caught a lot of stuff folks obviously thought wouldn't get caught, and we weren't exposed to as much or trained as well as cops and airport security.I never heard of these before, but I'm not shocked.
Vampire straw gets passenger arrested at Boston airport: 'These items are not allowed'
A 26-year-old airline passenger was arrested for trying to bring a vampire straw through TSA.www.usatoday.com
It's the same sort of thing that gets popular for awhile, going back to the Kubaton keychain or maybe even the sword-cane. People often like the idea of a self-defense weapon that has a dual purpose, like an ink pen that is hardened and can be put to use as a stabby kind of thing if need be.
Everyone wants the magic device that puts one over on cops and security people. Ha ha, officer, it's not a stabby thing, it's a pen! See? It writes! It's not a stabby thing, it's a straw! See me drink from it! It's not a set of brass knuckles, it's a belt buckle! See it hold my pants up?
The problem is, there is no magic. You're not going to fool anyone or argue a cop out of seeing it for what it is. Wink, wink, doesn't really work.
Weapons are in what they are used for, not necessarily what they look like. There's no way to reliably fool professionals. It might work once or twice; but when you get caught, you're caught.
About the only dual-use self-defense weapon that I think can be carried reliably is a cane, and that's for people who need one and can prove it (typically). At my age, my gait is messed up. If I start walking with a cane (and I have in the past, but I'm better now), I can pretty much take it anywhere; if I have to use it to defend myself, oh well. However, something slightly more offensive in nature, like a sword cane, isn't going to pass. There are lots of places a person can learn to fight with a cane, and lots of canes that can take a lot of abuse. So I'll exempt that.
But otherwise? I've seen people get their Kubatons confiscated, their brass knuckle belt buckles, their 'CIA pens' and their plastic x-ray-proof daggers. You can argue all you like, it's not going to fool a cop.
My suggestion is to leave the vampire straw at home. Good grief.
Fortunately for folks going into the courthouse, the cops there were not aggressive about most things. Folks who brought guns or ammo ended up in cuffs, but most other stuff was just confiscated.
Ac;tually, for some courthouses, TSA compliance does mean something. If they are looking to exclude weapons, TSA standards pretty much cover that. That said, saying it's compliant shouldn't have mattered, and it might just be that by the time you said that they'd determined it was acceptable. I think I know the tool you're talking about, and we'd have looked at something like that to check for stabby and cutty things, then let it through (small tools were allowed, but not entire kits, unless it was a scheduled service call).
Yeah, but those aren't "vampire" straws, now are they? Gotta pay if you want the vampy, dude.
Explicitly illegal in many places in the US.I just got one as a gift last week. What do you guys think about this SD tool - BLACKJACK SLAPPER?
Blackjack Weapon Slapper - Self Defense | BUDK.com
Designed for law enforcement use and perfect for self defense. Constructed of top quality leather with hand-strap for secure grip. Get yours today at BUDK.com!
frank raud
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Sorry, I thought the sarcasm was obvious.
If your airway is occluded, I could stab you in the trachea with a vampire straw and save your life!
Illegal in many places. It's just a short club and obviously has no purpose other than as a weapon. If I want to carry a marginally effective weapon that isn't obviously a weapon, I'll carry a cane. And limp.I just got one as a gift last week. What do you guys think about this SD tool - BLACKJACK SLAPPER?
Blackjack Weapon Slapper - Self Defense | BUDK.com
Designed for law enforcement use and perfect for self defense. Constructed of top quality leather with hand-strap for secure grip. Get yours today at BUDK.com!
mograph
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... and then file the end at an angle. "Sawed-off straw." Done!
Wing Woo Gar
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Lol! That’s better! Vampire Tracheostomy.
Steve
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To the point of the original post, it’s all a little silly. Mostly theater.
This vampire straw is not okay, but this is:
And this is:
This vampire straw is not okay, but this is:
And this is:
Does anybody expect rules imposed by a government agency to be based on logic or reason?
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TSA rules aside, every cop knows that a screwdriver is a burglar tool if it's carried by a person during a burglary, and a knitting needle is a deadly weapon if someone stabs somebody with it. It's not just what it is intended for, it's what it's used for as well. Context matters.
Too many people, in my opinion, think there are 'magic' things they can carry that they can use to defend themselves and the cops will just be fuming mad but stymied, no one can touch them, hahaha. Just like the sovereign citizens who think they can throw around some latin-sounding words at a traffic stop and avoid tickets or getting arrested for warrants. There are no magic words, no magic weapons. The only exception I've ever been able to see is the cane, mainly because it's impossible to ban cane use for those who actually need them, and well...you can't really stop someone from smacking somebody over the head with it.
The catalogs and websites are full of those things, the flea market tables have them. They cater to the juveniles who want to somehow legally carry concealed weapons and think there's some way to skirt the laws. In my day, it was the Loompanics catalog and various booklets that proposed people carry around pockets full of dirt to throw in someone's eyes or a fishing lure on a string to bolo an attacker, etc. It was a riot - when I was 15.
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Benevolent Vampire Tracheostomy.
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
Or possibly the Vampire just brushed his teeth and did not want to get them dirty again by biting folks in the neck
As long as you don’t run with them.
Nice thing about FMA is that you look at tools such as these and you instinctively feel comfortable using them as a weapon. Defense and offense.
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Intent has a lot to do with how illegal something is.
If I trip and fall and kill someone that is an accident.
If I plan to kill someone. That is murder.
Steve
Mostly Harmless
are you saying cops don’t act based on logic or reason? You may have a point, though some on this forum probably disagree with you.
