Dude, c'mon.
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Dude, c'mon.
drop bear
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Asian leagus might pick up. One fc for example, Bellator may even get a boost if the ufc goes for uniforms and you get fighters defecting.
Some of the other leagues pay more as well.
Steve
Mostly Harmless
FWIW, Tez, I don't get the impression that her nationality is the salient point here, although I do believe that if she were English, you'd like her. But that's just nationalism and we're all succeptible to it. I don't believe for a second you dislike Rousey because she's American.
What is troubling to me is the phenomenon where we want something, but then undermine it when we see it. In this case, you are a staunch and sincere advocate for women in combat sports. You have all of this experience and have really done your part to advance the cause.
As I said before, it seems as though you don't like Rousey because she's too good. She's too successful and too dominant. You want women to succeed, but you want them to all do it together. You've said as much in this thread, when you talk about the collective talent that's out there, invisible but just as skilled and just as deserving as Rousey.
I get this impression because you aren't rooting for someone else; rather, you're rooting against Rousey. That's telling. It's not that you like other fighters better (though surely, you do). It's always how you DON'T like Rousey. That's, in part, what givesme the impression that your beef with her is that she's making clear the lack of depth in the division. She's exposing how thin the talent pool really is right now. It's much easier to believe that the other women ARE that good and that they COULD compete against Rousey, but it's the big, bad UFC conspiring to protect their fighter. This isn't reality, though. Right now, there isn't anyone in Rousey's league. If there were, it would be good for the sport, good for the division and would make the UFC a lot of dough. Wins all around.
Truthfully, though, even the women who are getting demolished in the cage with Rousey are benefiting. They are gaining a lot of notoriety, which in turn is encouraging other young women to train in a sport they'll love, and also providing a vehicle for these other women to earn livings as coaches and trainers down the road. While Tate or Zingano may never be in the same league as Rousey, they're very, very good. And while I don't think there's anyone in the professional ranks right now who could be Rousey, it's possible that the person who surpasses Rousey could come from Tate's gym, or Zingano's gym.
And, hey, there's always a puncher's chance one of them will get lucky. That's happened to some of the best.
What is troubling to me is the phenomenon where we want something, but then undermine it when we see it. In this case, you are a staunch and sincere advocate for women in combat sports. You have all of this experience and have really done your part to advance the cause.
As I said before, it seems as though you don't like Rousey because she's too good. She's too successful and too dominant. You want women to succeed, but you want them to all do it together. You've said as much in this thread, when you talk about the collective talent that's out there, invisible but just as skilled and just as deserving as Rousey.
I get this impression because you aren't rooting for someone else; rather, you're rooting against Rousey. That's telling. It's not that you like other fighters better (though surely, you do). It's always how you DON'T like Rousey. That's, in part, what givesme the impression that your beef with her is that she's making clear the lack of depth in the division. She's exposing how thin the talent pool really is right now. It's much easier to believe that the other women ARE that good and that they COULD compete against Rousey, but it's the big, bad UFC conspiring to protect their fighter. This isn't reality, though. Right now, there isn't anyone in Rousey's league. If there were, it would be good for the sport, good for the division and would make the UFC a lot of dough. Wins all around.
Truthfully, though, even the women who are getting demolished in the cage with Rousey are benefiting. They are gaining a lot of notoriety, which in turn is encouraging other young women to train in a sport they'll love, and also providing a vehicle for these other women to earn livings as coaches and trainers down the road. While Tate or Zingano may never be in the same league as Rousey, they're very, very good. And while I don't think there's anyone in the professional ranks right now who could be Rousey, it's possible that the person who surpasses Rousey could come from Tate's gym, or Zingano's gym.
And, hey, there's always a puncher's chance one of them will get lucky. That's happened to some of the best.
Zero
Master Black Belt
Dude, please.
I bought into that hype too, but the amount of hype and money generated by the Mayweather/Pacquiao fight though has shot that myth right out of the water though.
Sky Box Office has spent years and made millions selling boxing matches to UK fans, hell they even sell WWE on box office. If they thought for one second they could make anything like the same money selling MMA they'd be all over it.
To be fair, that's basically how it is in the US, too. You have to travel like 500 miles and stay in a hotel room to a see a match that costs hundreds of dollars a ticket - or pay money to watch it on pay-per-view. It's not like they show the matches live on national TV. That doesn't diminish the popularity of it, though.
That was a great reply. Gave me a big smile.
As for the photos - I have nothing against photos like that, but I think in the context of the conversation concerning the thread title, it doesn't fit. But, then, while I was driving to work today I thought "that thread was getting heated, maybe those foolish pics will lighten the mood." And maybe not.
Anyway, no worries, each to his own opinion. I just don't think they have any place in the conversation.
The Pacquiao and Mayweather fight generated money that boxing may never see again. Meanwhile the UFC just keeps on putting on shows every month and growing their overall sales. Sky may not be making money selling the UFC in England yet but DirectTV, CoxCable, etc. are making serious dollars selling the UFC here in the States. In 2014 when Weidman and Silva fought for the second time the guesstimated overall sales were somewhere around $66,645,000 with 1.1 million pay per view buys and 6.2 million at the gate. Certainly not Pacquiao of Mayweather money but none the less pretty good for just one show out of a dozen or more. UFC estimated value is somewhere around 3.5 Billion and growing regularly.
What is really telling is that other than Pacquiao or Mayweather nobody knows who is even boxing anymore. Yet, if you ask them about their favorite MMA fighters most people can probably rattle off several names. When the UFC signed their deal with Fox to bring the UFC to prime time on a major network channel that pretty much sealed the deal that they would be the dominate combative sport for the next decade and on.
That is important to note that we see the UFC here in the States of the Fox Network regularly for free at times. The same network etc. that has our brand of American Football on it. UFC athletes and their wins are covered on Sportscenter and they get interviewed. Not to mentioned the most mainstream sports magazine ie. Sports Illustrated now covers the UFC as well.
Steve
Mostly Harmless
At this point, the only thing keeping the UFC and MMA in general from becoming bigger than boxing is the UFC and the culture of MMA.
This is a link to the first of three articles written on the UFC. The Rising Cost of Indifference Sexism Misogyny and Domestic Violence in MMA Part 1 - Women s MMAWomen s MMA
It's a LONG read, but very, very worth it. It is specifically about sexism, misogyny and domestic violence, but also touches on the class action lawsuit being brought against the UFC for its contract and business practices and a lot of the other things that are just flat out keeping the UFC from becoming a mainstream sport.
Let the record show that I am a huge fan of MMA. I'm not a huge fan of the UFC. We need to acknoweledge what it is and also what it is not.
No doubt that is an issue plaguing the UFC but also it is in the NFL, NBA, Hockey, Boxing and any other dominantly male sport. Not to mention Rap, music, entertainment, movie stars, etc. Young men with unlimited money, fame, etc. is probably never a great thing in general.
Steve
Mostly Harmless
For sure. But the ufc and MMA are craving legitimacy, and are actively incorporating women into the sport.
Boxing is largely ignored, and in the other sports there are segregated leagues, so it's both easier to ignore and harder to address.
I'm not saying that the issues are absent in other areas. But it's not quite the same, either,
Steve, the day that Fox signed the deal to bring the UFC to a network channel it was legitimized. Since that time I cannot think of a faster
growing sport.
growing sport.
Zero
Master Black Belt
Yeah, sometimes the simplest of answers are the best!! : )
Yeah, well I won't say I don't agree with you on the pics : ) I just don't want people thinking I am a caveman, sexist, chauvinist pig (I have enough trouble disabusing my wife of that view!!)
The xfl had a deal with nbc. Didn't make it legit.
Sure it was the XFL that is. It was a legit business, sport, entertainment it just in the end did not have the leadership/money to keep it going. Yet they had a lot of world class athletes many who crossed over to the NFL afterwards.
The UFC is legit and based on their financial earning they are going nowhere!
Hey Transk53 I do not believe there is any Brit Bashing going on in this thread. There are however people who disagree in it. If you feel a post is Brit Bashing in any way please report it to the moderators and they will have a look at it!
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