Secrecy in Kung Fu Today/ arrogance in MA's

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On watching some of the vids.. not to be critical

it's been my experience ... Most people who know what they are doing do not have guards that one can just walk up and manipulate.

Secondly, I've found through the hard way..... committing two hands to control an opponent's one hand is not optimum strategy. (high % of spitting chiclets from the floor)

Shu li yu dngx蘋, y蘋d穫ng yo hu穩l獺i "the hand must come back with something in it" as far as Han Quan fa is concerned, the concept is often misunderstood. If the hand comes back with control of the opponent's main angle of attack... it has something in it. (i.e. control of the angle) Not always will you be able to attach or seize... Or use the tactic of rolling energy i.e Gundong (fist gets blocked, you roll your elbow to strike. elbow get checked you use your shoulder. )

nuff of my ranting see ya all sometime in the future
 

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I think you have a mistaken notion of other arts. Ive only met a few instructors (and no arts) that were that absolute.
Do you know any clip for that?

Do you know any non-CMA weapon that a spear has a hook on it?


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Do you know any clip for that?

Do you know any non-CMA weapon that a spear has a hook on it?


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I dont know what a spear has to do with empty-hand arts.

As for clips, no. Even if Ive seen a video with that principle, I dont keep track of clips, so wouldnt have a ready clip to share.
 

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Of course I'm responding to my opponent's move. My opponent raises his arm, I change my punch into ...

When your punch fail, you will have 2 options.

1. Pull your punch back and throw another punch.
2. Change your punch into something else.

IMO, CMA utilizes 2 more than non-CMA.
What is your experience with non-CMA?
 

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I don't see a punching hand in that.
1. I throw a hook punch at my opponent.
2. My opponent avoids arm contact and hook punches back.
3. I change my hook punch into arm wrap.

During step 2, if my opponent blocks my hook punch, I can change my hook punch into a grab-pull. Step 3 will not happen.

This is the multiple levels training that I was talking about.

Level 1 training (offense skill) - You attack.
Level 2 training (defense and counter skill) - You attack, your opponent counters.
Level 3 training (counter to counter skill) - You attack, your opponent counters, you counters back.

Because your opponent's counter can be different (dodge, block, ...), If you use a hook punch as the tree root, you can grow a tree from it.

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3 months Goju-Ryu karate. My wife has 1st degree TKD black belt.

In my fighting club, I had:

- 1 black belt in TKD.
- 1 black belt in Hapkido.
- 1 black belt in Uechi-Ryu Karate.
- 1 professional MT fighter.

Thats a very limited range from which to make the sweeping statement that something doesnt exist outside of CMA.
 

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1. I throw a hook punch at my opponent.
2. My opponent avoids arm contact and hook punches back.
3. I change my hook punch into arm wrap.

During step 2, if my opponent blocks my hook punch, I can change my hook punch into a grab-pull. Step 3 will not happen.

This is the multiple levels training that I was talking about.

Level 1 training (offense skill) - You attack.
Level 2 training (defense and counter skill) - You attack, your opponent counters.
Level 3 training (counter to counter skill) - You attack, your opponent counters, you counters back.

Because your opponent's counter can be different (dodge, block, ...), If you use a hook punch as the tree root, you can grow a tree from it.

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That punch was never thrown at your partner. If he does nothing, it never connects. Or is there something really off in the camera angle?
 

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