Questions regarding MA-80

[Dan Anderson]

Chip,

Can do.

Brian & Arnisador,

Thaks for the kudos.

Dan

 

[hapkenkido]

SM Anderson,
Thank you, and I look forward to the camp.
Chip Pike

 

[Dan Anderson]

You bet - we'll have a great time.

On a totally different note, thanks to Brian VanCise and his help on uploading video material, I'll be sending up a composite clip of various MA-80 seminars I've done (including in the Philippines) and another composite clip of various DVDs I've put out. Keep your eyes peeled and await in eager anticipation!

Yours,
Dan Anderson

 

[Brian R. VanCise]

Dan is his own man with his own system. What is so hard to understand about that?

Having been on the floor and crossed blades with Dan I vouch that he has skill to do what he wants when he wants with his art. Those are his choices and he is sufficently skilled to do so.

What I most applaud Dan for is categorizing, organizing and publishing all of his books on Modern Arnis and Modern Arnis 80. (they are fantastic) Truly a fantastic job and if you have any doubt the undertaking was massive. Kudos to you Dan and good luck on your recent adventure!

 

[tshadowchaser]

Nicely said

 

[Dan Anderson]

Tim,

Have fun in AC. Are you competing or mainly fielding a team? Give us an update when it is all said and done.

Dan

 

[Datu Tim Hartman]

Tim,

Have fun in AC. Are you competing or mainly fielding a team? Give us an update when it is all said and done.

Dan

Both.

 

[bobquinn]

Hey, I'm in the room! We all respect and protect what we had with the Professor. He told me, as he told some other folks, some people will try to enter into our circle. Let's be viligant and watch. peace to my brothers.
I went through my old videos and came across some videos of me being Tim's uke on behave of the GM. I'll dig it out

 

[Datu Tim Hartman]

Tim, you're right, it's his right to do as he sees fit. However I don't think you're one to talk about promotions, all things considered.

What are you talking about?

 

[The Last Legionary]

What are you talking about?

Do you really want me to go there Tim?

 

[The Game]

Do you really want me to go there Tim?

Dude, don't even bother going there. The only people, and I use that term loosely, that still give a **** about that old news are a couple of long exiled hacks and nobodies stuck stewing in their own little fantasy world of envy playing with all their sockpuppets. In fact, they even have their own little mailing list dedicted to constantly harping about it and rarely talking about anything else. Seriously, MT doesn't need the old BS dusted off again. Dead horse and all that brudda.

 

[Dan Anderson]

Dan,
First a congratulations. Showing what you've got and being recognized for it is a wonderful thing.

I do have a question though. What does this all do for you other than pad an all ready respectible resume a bit with some extra fluff?

Legionary,

My last post answers your question fully. Please reread.

Yours,
Dan Anderson

 

[Mark Lynn]

Dan

That's commitment, I dropped you off a at 11:30pm and your posting at 1:00am on MT. Did the Starbucks coffee and good conversation keep you up?

Dan had just taught a 2 hour mini seminar for Keith Yates and his AKaTo Organization and then sat around discussing the golden age of karate, martial arts etc etc. with my karate instructor and GM Yates for a couple of hours. (What a history lesson for me.)

Well time to get going to take you to the airport.

I'll see about posting a review of your seminar for GM Yates and Chance B. later today.

Mark

 

[Brian Johns]

Dan,

Congrats on your achievement !

Take care,
Brian

 

[Datu Tim Hartman]

Do you really want me to go there Tim?

Sure. I doubt you're going to bring up anything that hasn't been said before.

 

[The Last Legionary]

Dude, don't even bother going there. The only people, and I use that term loosely, that still give a **** about that old news are a couple of long exiled hacks and nobodies stuck stewing in their own little fantasy world of envy playing with all their sockpuppets. In fact, they even have their own little mailing list dedicted to constantly harping about it and rarely talking about anything else. Seriously, MT doesn't need the old BS dusted off again. Dead horse and all that brudda.

"Dude", it's a legit question. Hartman's history is pretty interesting reading, and as you noted, a regular discussion topic with some. But for the sake of not rehashing old ****, I'll skip the dead horse ****.

 

[The Last Legionary]

Tim,
I'm going to lay out a time line here, so follow the bouncing ball Datu. What follows are your own words here on MartialTalk. I'm sure I'll take some **** for this but I'm used to it.

10-13-2001
"I know GM Presas has a brother...Ernesto? Is he involved with Modern Arnis?
Ernesto has his own art Kombaton. It is not the same program."

12-13-2001
"Guro Rick Manglinong
Started training with GM Presas in the early 70's on the West Coast. In addition to being a 2nd degree under GM Remy he also hold a 4th under GM Ernesto Presas (Remy's brother).
Mr. Manglinong will be teaching:"Old School" Modern Arnis and Kombaton Concepts."

01-12-2002
"For a while GM Ernesto Presas (Remy's younger brother) would use the same name of Modern Arnis for the program he was teaching. Although there are many things alike, it is not the same program. Eventually after the two brothers had a talk Ernesto changed his program name to Kombaton. Before this time Ernesto promoted many poeple in europe in the name of Modern Arnis. This has caused much confusion many of these people still call the program Modern Arnis even though the name has been changed."

01-26-2002
"Guro Rick Manglinong
Started training with GM Presas in the 70's on the West Coast. In addition to being a certified instructor under GM Remy he also holds a 5th under GM Ernesto Presas (Remy's brother).
Mr. Manglinong will be teaching:"Old School" Modern Arnis and Kombaton Concepts."

01-26-2002
"I had talked to GM Ernesto about a year ago and he told me that he didn't do Balintawak. Being a student of Balintawak myself, I can't say that he moves like some one who does the art."

02-10-2002
"It was nice to finally meet Datu Worden face to face and a pleasure to meet Prof Trigg. I didn't know that Trigg was the first to bring Remy and Ernesto Presas to the Portland area. "

09-09-2002
"The main problem is in the name of Modern Arnis. At this time there is only one. Before there was two. One taught by Remy, and a second taught by his brother Ernesto. Most of the Europeans that do Modern Arnis do the Ernesto’s style were most of the Americans do Remy’s.

Eventually Ernesto changed the name to Kombaton. Many of the Europeans still call it Modern Arnis. This is where the problem begins. When we in America say Modern Arnis we think of the founder “Remy Presas” not his younger brother Ernesto. "

11-30-2002
"Remember that Ernesto had to change the name because of Remy. So this would mean that you were licensed to teach KOMBATON. "

07-21-2004
"This is a hard one. I think that the only ones who could tell us for sure are Ernesto & Roberto Presas. When I see them in April I will ask them. Let me first say this, I think there is a difference between Presas family arnis and Modern Arnis. Remy’s first exposure to FMA was during WW2. He was watching his father teaching the military"

03-07-2005
"As far as any rumors of style rivalries go, I would say are false. Both Remy and Ernesto treated each others students as family. The second time I met Ernesto his wife was there and we all went to the casino together and I was treated as a member. Are the family problems TABOO? I don’t think so. Should they be exposed on the net? I think that would be in poor taste. Know this, if you attend events in either program you will most likely treat like one of our family."

05-13-2007
"PG Manglinong and I were awarded 9th degree black belts in Kombatan and I was shocked when GM Ernesto introduced us as Grandmaster Manglinong and Grandmaster Hartman. "

Shocked is a good word to use here Tim. So were a lot of people. What I quoted above are your words, the only words you've mentioned here concerning Kombatan. You now, that art you're now a GrandMaster in.
In 7 years, you've mentioned Ernesto a dozen times, and Kombatan a mere 3! times. Yet you come back from a vacation sporting a suntan, a shiny new title and a nice 9th degree promotion. Not bad for an art you don't do, don't teach, and a decade ago weren't even aware of. Having your students promote you twice was pretty bad, but at least that was in an art you had some legit rank in. Some might want to know how the actual Kombatan people who have busted their asses to train and earn rank feel about an outsider popping in and buying himself some paperwork.
Is all this really the mark of a "War Leader"?
I'll most likely get my teeth handed to me over this but **** it. You've been coddled by your whipping boy here too long, and gotten rid of all your critics. Someone has to stand up and bare buttocks at the ******** for a change.

 

[The Game]

"Dude", it's a legit question. Hartman's history is pretty interesting reading, and as you noted, a regular discussion topic with some. But for the sake of not rehashing old ****, I'll skip the dead horse ****.

Dude, who ****ing pissed in your punchbowl lately? You've been a royal dickhead the last few days. The only morons who buy the "promoted by his students" crap are the same wannabe hack nobodies who have been pissing and moaning for years about him. Been debunked more times than you've changed your socks this month. You want to whine about crap you're clueless about, go hang out with those jock sniffers.

As to Dan, he's ok. Congratulations.

 

[Guro Harold]

Errrr,

Maybe it's time to split this off this portion of the discussion to "Questions regarding T.H." or something.

T.H. and MA-80 are two separate topics.

 

[Dan Anderson]

Dude, who ****ing pissed in your punchbowl lately? You've been a royal dickhead the last few days. The only morons who buy the "promoted by his students" crap are the same wannabe hack nobodies who have been pissing and moaning for years about him. Been debunked more times than you've changed your socks this month. You want to whine about crap you're clueless about, go hang out with those jock sniffers.

As to Dan, he's ok. Congratulations.

Yeah, this is all about me!

Yours,
Dan Anderson