Questions about using a cane for self defense

mickeymouse

White Belt
I am a 62 year old man who wants to start learning self defense and martial arts. 1. I was wondering how effective a cane would be for self defense? 2. I want to learn how to use a cane to defend myself and was wondering which martial arts implement this? 3. Would an old man with a cane be much more of a target to criminals who want to rob him, especially on vacation abroad than an old man without a cane? 4. What is the legality of using a cane for self defense in the US and abroad? Whatever countries laws you know about I would be interested to hear about!
 
I am a 62 year old man who wants to start learning self defense and martial arts. 1. I was wondering how effective a cane would be for self defense? 2. I want to learn how to use a cane to defend myself and was wondering which martial arts implement this? 3. Would an old man with a cane be much more of a target to criminals who want to rob him, especially on vacation abroad than an old man without a cane? 4. What is the legality of using a cane for self defense in the US and abroad? Whatever countries laws you know about I would be interested to hear about!
Welcome to MT :) There are a whole slew of martial arts that have weapons training. On the subject of using a cane, I cannot answer that, but I'm sure someone on here would be able to point you in the right direction. Have you looked into any specific styles yet or visited any schools? I hope you are able to find your answer!
 
Yes Canes can be effective.

Filipino martial arts teach the use of weapons and some also teach improvised weapons.


Check out Cane Master's Canes - They make so good hardwood canes. (I am not affiliated - I did buy one in person at an event in Atlantic City - it was designed for taller people and I ended up giving it to my father when he needed a cane to move around.)
In my opinion one does not need all the tactical add-ons, just the ones sued for a better grip.


Note: As to laws that is up to the person to know the local laws - check with a lawyer or other legal types
Also Note that if you carry a weapon it can be used against you if they are better or get lucky.
Yet, that is not to deter one for using a walking tool to help them and also knowing how to use it for self defense.
The awareness that it could be used as a tool will keep you aware of others who might take it from you.
And being aware of those around you is actually the best way to avoid any issues / conflicts. (in my opinion).
 
There is a lot of really cool and effective stuff that you can do with a cane. But, you have to step back and really look at what is being done. A lot of the moves and techniques can be quite effective... however, they require you to be able to stand and move without the use of the cane.... your cane is hitting, choking, locking, throwing the other guy... while you are moving on your two feet. If you are able to do these moves, you obviously do not need to use a cane. So, why are you carrying a cane with you? To use as a weapon. Now you need to understand the local laws and what they have to say about carrying a weapon.

If you do need the cane to stand and walk... then the reason you have the cane is for mobility, not to be a weapon. You could certainly use it as a weapon.... but most of the techniques you learn for cane, require so much mobility on your feet that you could not do them, if you actually needed the cane.

Yes, there are some things you can do with a cane, and you will do them better with practice. But, really look at what is being offered, in terms of.... if I really need a cane to stand or walk, could I really do this technique in my condition.
 
There is a lot of really cool and effective stuff that you can do with a cane. But, you have to step back and really look at what is being done. A lot of the moves and techniques can be quite effective... however, they require you to be able to stand and move without the use of the cane.... your cane is hitting, choking, locking, throwing the other guy... while you are moving on your two feet. If you are able to do these moves, you obviously do not need to use a cane. So, why are you carrying a cane with you? To use as a weapon. Now you need to understand the local laws and what they have to say about carrying a weapon.

If you do need the cane to stand and walk... then the reason you have the cane is for mobility, not to be a weapon. You could certainly use it as a weapon.... but most of the techniques you learn for cane, require so much mobility on your feet that you could not do them, if you actually needed the cane.

Yes, there are some things you can do with a cane, and you will do them better with practice. But, really look at what is being offered, in terms of.... if I really need a cane to stand or walk, could I really do this technique in my condition.
Time and time again in my experience in every martial art that I have taken, there are injuries and conditions that you can briefly overcome in a time of need.

Even if that weren't true, suggesting that someone who is differently abled shouldn't learn self-defense because they can't do it to your standards is an utterly pathetic argument, and I thought we were past that in the martial arts community.
 
Time and time again in my experience in every martial art that I have taken, there are injuries and conditions that you can briefly overcome in a time of need.

Even if that weren't true, suggesting that someone who is differently abled shouldn't learn self-defense because they can't do it to your standards is an utterly pathetic argument, and I thought we were past that in the martial arts community.
I think you mis understood what I was saying. I said to evaluate what you were learning. If you need a cane for mobility, some of these things will not work.

Using it as you would a sword, circling around.... maybe you can maybe you can't.... maybe in the future you will not be able to.

Here, half way through is is on one foot, delivering strikes.

Here they start simple, then get into take downs and more complicated stuff requiring you to use footwork, and drive off your feet to generate power.

What I am getting at is to learn what you can do in your current state. We are all going to get old, what we could do when younger, we will not be able to do when we get older. Some of the techniques will become less effective as our mobility goes, as our balance goes.... Understanding which techniques will still work verses which ones require more mobility.

A round house kick to the head is great. But I would not try it at 80 years old. If working with an 80 year old, I would teach him to throw the round house kick, lets see how far he can take it. But, for self defense, I would give him other techniques that he can do, and will be able to continue to do.

A lot of the cane techniques out there are taught by folks who have no mobility issues.... and can move, and exert force without one. Expecting someone who relies heavily on a cane to just stand, to do a multiple strike combo, ending in an armbar take down with the cane, is not going to happen for him. However, learning to target vulnerable points with strikes, that his own movement allows will do more good. Continued training should increase his abilities, but recognize that it is a race with age and age will win. In terms, of Martial arts... learn whatever you want... in terms of self defense, learn your limits and learn how to use what you have. Hopefully, through training you will get more ability.

You may have to test out some of the techniques, to see if you can actually do them, given your current mobility state. It is important to find that out in a dojo before finding out on the street.
 
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