Doc
Senior Master
I have no idea. Never heard of it.Flying Crane said:Ah-ha. Do you know where the second staff set came from? Is that something that is strictly found in Tracys?
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I have no idea. Never heard of it.Flying Crane said:Ah-ha. Do you know where the second staff set came from? Is that something that is strictly found in Tracys?
The difference being the Chinese used weapons training in those days to promote proper body mechanics. Many of the forms with weapons could not be done with poor mechanics. Mr. Parker also gave up attempting to teach body mechanics to the masses because it is too labor intensive as an instructor, and he stopped teaching in the school in the early sixties.Flying Crane said:This is an interesting comment. From my experience with Chinese arts, they tend to be heavily focused on forms training as the method of teaching. This usually includes a myriad of weaponry. Why would Mr. Parker's experience with Chinese arts prompt him to drop weapons training?
IWishToLearn said:Which if any of the forms have made the transition to SL4 curriculum?
All of the original forms.IWishToLearn said:Which if any of the forms have made the transition to SL4 curriculum?
Doc said:All of the original forms.
Come to class. If Kevin Mills and crew can come from Englandm, and Vivion Spain from Ireland well ......Kembudo-Kai Kempoka said:Cleverly evasive. So...which be those? :supcool:
Crap!. Mr. Parker never made all encompassing statements without qualifications.IWishToLearn said:Playing devil's advocate for a sec - I've heard SGM Parker quoted as saying if someone knew form 4 they then also knew American Kenpo. Thoughts?
Found an origin of the second Tracys set - Al Tracy had a Chinese stylist come teach him further weapons forms so he could include them in his curriculum. It's buried on his origins of the Tracy's forms page.
All of the forms up through what most call Short Three are viable forms. Everything after that was created to support the commercial system.
Were the long forms created before the short forms, or vice versa, or simultaneously?
I'm interested in seeing how this question pans out. I have an old 8mm xfered to tape here that shows short 2 as a contiguous part of short 1.
I suspect that there were, originally, only the first three short forms, and I am not so sure they weren't developed after SGM Parker started teaching. According to the legends, the folks that taught or were involved in Kenpo prior to SGM Parker didn't care too terribly much about kata, or only worked one or two, like Naihanchi (Okinawan?)...
But I have been wrong before.
If I'm pissed at you and looking to get you, I'll arm myself with something that makes a lot more noise when you use it.