Qi/Chi masters: why, when we talk about real fight, QI is useless?

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Dear Op,
The first thing to understand is about Qi is the meaning changes if another word is in front of it or after it.

Yes -- qi is a context-dependent word.
 

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It's pretty straight forward for me, training qi improves my ability to 'feel' and control my body coordination as well as adding an additional 'layer' of control that I suspect has to do largely with activating the fascia. Thinking in terms of the 'qi' flow through the body helps in executing clean and powerful throws, strikes etc, in fact, I felt an improvement in my ability ever since I was able to think and feel qi under pressure instead of instinctively falling back to the physicality of the body.
 

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Have you noticed that you no longer hear about Chi master any more? Back the in 80, the Chi masters were all over the place. Suddenly they all disappear from the face of earth. Why?

 

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Have you noticed that you no longer hear about Chi master any more? Back the in 80, the Chi masters were all over the place. Suddenly they all disappear from the face of earth. Why?


Because now everyone thinks they're a Chi master.

Even you and I!
 

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Just from my experience in Xing Yi Quan, Qi feeling in the body can increase body awareness, unification, intention, and smoothness of movements. As a result, strike power and speed also increase.
There are different feelings of Qi in the body like lightness, warming, electricity… and heaviness. I believe that for Xing Yi applications the internal filling with heavy Qi is more suitable. In this case, our muscles are relaxed, but we are solid inside and good rooted. Strikes are fast and powerful. I do not know how it will be useful for other styles.
 
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Do you need to use Qi for

- hip throw?
- side kick?
- wrist lock?

Is Qi only used for punch?
As I‘ve wrote, I practice Xing Yi where strike techniques predominate. I think heavy Qi is useful for internal styles and low effective for others. But Qi can energize muscles and how you want to use this effect is up to you.
 
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But Qi can energize muscles and how you want to use this effect is up to you.
Here is my question. If Qi energize muscle and help someone to improve his hip throw, side kick, ..., do you think that the Chinese Olympic teams will add Qi training into their national Olympic Judo, wrestling, TKD teams training?

There are Qi masters all over China. I'm sure they would like to help the Chinese to earn international reputation. Those Qi masters have not done that yet. Why?
 

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Hi everybody.

I have an unconfortable question.
Why, when we talk about real fight, mastering internal styles and QI is useless against martial arts like Muay thai ecc? Sometimes QI seems to me like an eleborate scam

I apologize if I was rude but i like to have a straight answer about the question

thx
The only real way to "debunk" something is to go and spend a significant amount of time studying it.
 

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Hi everybody.

I have an unconfortable question.
Why, when we talk about real fight, mastering internal styles and QI is useless against martial arts like Muay thai ecc? Sometimes QI seems to me like an eleborate scam

I apologize if I was rude but i like to have a straight answer about the question

thx
This is supposedly a true story. Wang Xiang Zhai, the founder of Yiquan/Dacheng Quan, was a highly skilled internal arts practitioner. One of his best friends was also a practitioner. They worked out together one day and during a sparring match, Wang struck his friend in the stomach with his palm - not a forceful blow, but he ruptured a couple of his internal organs and he died shortly. Wang Xiang Zhai mourned his friend for 3 years, vowing not to train or practice during his mourning. This was told to me by Dong Yuan Pei, student of Yu Peng Shi, disciple of Wang Xiang ZhaI. I believe it.

The thing about Qi, and the internal arts, is that the practice is complicated and those who study it have very serious outlooks on the arts and life in general. That mindset of competition is far from their thoughts, and they believe that their arts are for the preservation of life and liberty, not outward or material gain.

The same man that told me of Master Wang, saw in me the skeptic, and one day asked me to take hold of his wrists. I did so. He shook very slightly and I flew back onto a sofa that was about 8 feet behind me. I didn't even feel the floor, but I flew back very quickly. After that demonstration, I went home and an hour later, I was feeling a vibration in my whole body that I never felt before or since. It lasted about an hour and a half. I was sweating, flushed and very hot.

You are not being rude. You are just not knowledgeable or experience with such things.

Qi is Physics. Look at the Chinese character and take it apart. You will see that it is Biophysics.
 

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Here is my question. If Qi energize muscle and help someone to improve his hip throw, side kick, ..., do you think that the Chinese Olympic teams will add Qi training into their national Olympic Judo, wrestling, TKD teams training?

There are Qi masters all over China. I'm sure they would like to help the Chinese to earn international reputation. Those Qi masters have not done that yet. Why?
I believe Chinese sports medicine specialists do that.
 

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Here is my question. If Qi energize muscle and help someone to improve his hip throw, side kick, ..., do you think that the Chinese Olympic teams will add Qi training into their national Olympic Judo, wrestling, TKD teams training?

There are Qi masters all over China. I'm sure they would like to help the Chinese to earn international reputation. Those Qi masters have not done that yet. Why?

All over the whole world.

Why? Qi is the energy of the snake, as observed by the Shaolin, long ago.
 

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Here is my question. If Qi energize muscle and help someone to improve his hip throw, side kick, ..., do you think that the Chinese Olympic teams will add Qi training into their national Olympic Judo, wrestling, TKD teams training?

There are Qi masters all over China. I'm sure they would like to help the Chinese to earn international reputation. Those Qi masters have not done that yet. Why?

I believe Chinese sports medicine specialists do that.

Well, they do have TCM docs on their teams for support, acupuncture, herbal and trying to balance the flow of energy/qi
 

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