Perception Survey Questions on Street Fights

[Christopher Adamchek]

I would love to get peoples feed back and perception on raw fight mechanics.
Set up: 2 untrained individuals about to fight

1. What strike is an untrained initiator most likely to throw, and estimate the percentage?
2. Who is most likely to win: a person who attacks first or the person who responds? (With estimated percentages)
3. Which defensive action (cover, block, slip) is most likely to work best in an untrained street fight?
4. Which strike leads to the highest KO rate?
5. How many strikes can the average person throw in sequence before focus/technique breaks down?

Bonus Question: How often does the untrained fighter throw a jab (percentage)? and what is the evolutionary bio-mechanical function (highest technical priority outcome) of a jab?

 

[Marsha Larts]

I would love to get peoples feed back and perception on raw fight mechanics.
Set up: 2 untrained individuals about to fight

1. What strike is an untrained initiator most likely to throw, and estimate the percentage?
2. Who is most likely to win: a person who attacks first or the person who responds? (With estimated percentages)
3. Which defensive action (cover, block, slip) is most likely to work best in an untrained street fight?
4. Which strike leads to the highest KO rate?
5. How many strikes can the average person throw in sequence before focus/technique breaks down?

Bonus Question: How often does the untrained fighter throw a jab (percentage)? and what is the evolutionary bio-mechanical function (highest technical priority outcome) of a jab?

Too chaotic and unpredictable to call when so-called 'untrained' people fight.

Environmental factors such as terrain, spatial boundaries and obstacles, etc.

Footwear and clothing are often deciding factors in the mobility and tactical control each of the principals involved might have in gaining or losing any advantage that might be at one moment present, and the next moment lost - like one of their shoes coming off as often as not. Sometimes it's a deciding factor and sometimes it doesn't factor into the outcome at all.

Initiator can have the mindset of attacker, victim with a pre-emptive advantage, or righteous defender (perception of one's role in conflict), and that can be a major factor in the tactical behavior of a person.

If narcotics, meds and/or alcohol are in the system of one or both combatants, it makes a significant difference in how fast one can blast the other and how long they can sustain that blast - assuming both people remain within range of each other.

Anything can happen and patterns are out the window when things get rolling.

 

[Tony Dismukes135 31]

1. Sloppy looping overhand right to the head, by a large margin. (Which may or may not be preceded by a shove to the chest.)
2. Normally I would say the person who attacks first, since usually there is the element of surprise and the person who inflicts damage first is more likely to win. But your scenario states that the individuals are "about to fight", which I take to mean mutually agreed combat complete with pre-fight posturing and such. In that case, the first strike is more likely to be avoided or blocked. There might still be an edge to the first attacker, since that is likely the person with more confidence and aggression. The other person might be calmly waiting to counter the first strike, but that would be more indicative of having training. So I guess in the case of two totally untrained people, the person who swings first is still more likely to win.
3. Proper slipping and blocking is more indicative of skill and training. When watching completely untrained fighters, the more common responses are a) backing up (which has a pretty good chance to make the other person miss), b) absorbing the punch and swinging back, or c) moving forward (possibly while covering) and ending up in an intentional or unintentional clinch. The first and third options are obviously going to be better than the second one.
4. Overhand right.
5. 0. The average untrained person has terrible technique from the get go.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf136 1]

I would love to get peoples feed back and perception on raw fight mechanics.
Set up: 2 untrained individuals about to fight

1. What strike is an untrained initiator most likely to throw, and estimate the percentage?

Either an overhand right or (if you are lenient on 'strike') a tackle attempt or a push to the chest. Definitely can't estimate a percentage.

1. Who is most likely to win: a person who attacks first or the person who responds? (With estimated percentages)

If both people are untrained, and all else being equal, the person who strikes first. That first punch can be a sucker punch, and even if it's not that's probably the more aggressive person, which will win you fights against an untrained person.

1. Which defensive action (cover, block, slip) is most likely to work best in an untrained street fight?

I don't think untrained people would know how to slip, and most of their blocks would be fairly ineffective. Of your options I'd go with covering, but I don't know that they would know to do that - and it depends a lot on the attack their defending against.

1. Which strike leads to the highest KO rate?

Are you saying of streetfights that end in a ko, what was the most common strike thrown, or which strike, when thrown, is the most likely to cause a KO? If the first, I'd go with overhand right simply because it's one of the most common strikes thrown, and has a good chance at knocking someone out, even from an untrained individual. For the second, I'm unsure. Part of me wants to say the answer is still the same, but another part of me knows people often miss with their first strike which will seriously lower it's percentage.

1. How many strikes can the average person throw in sequence before focus/technique breaks down?

Focus? 0-1. Technique? 0. They don't have technique to break down, and either before or after the first strike, they're no longer focusing or thinking properly about it.

Bonus Question: How often does the untrained fighter throw a jab (percentage)? and what is the evolutionary bio-mechanical function (highest technical priority outcome) of a jab?

Can't give a percentage, but it happens if the person thinks they can fight. The jab is normally not very good, but they've seen it before in tv/movies/professional fights that they think they should throw it if the fight gets to that point.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf136 1]

1. Sloppy looping overhand right to the head, by a large margin. (Which may or may not be preceded by a shove to the chest.)
2. Normally I would say the person who attacks first, since usually there is the element of surprise and the person who inflicts damage first is more likely to win. But your scenario states that the individuals are "about to fight", which I take to mean mutually agreed combat complete with pre-fight posturing and such. In that case, the first strike is more likely to be avoided or blocked. There might still be an edge to the first attacker, since that is likely the person with more confidence and aggression. The other person might be calmly waiting to counter the first strike, but that would be more indicative of having training. So I guess in the case of two totally untrained people, the person who swings first is still more likely to win.
3. Proper slipping and blocking is more indicative of skill and training. When watching completely untrained fighters, the more common responses are a) backing up (which has a pretty good chance to make the other person miss), b) absorbing the punch and swinging back, or c) moving forward (possibly while covering) and ending up in an intentional or unintentional clinch. The first and third options are obviously going to be better than the second one.
4. Overhand right.
5. 0. The average untrained person has terrible technique from the get go.

Just saw your reply now. We gave almost the same answers to each question

 

[HighKick]

I would love to get peoples feed back and perception on raw fight mechanics.
Set up: 2 untrained individuals about to fight

1. What strike is an untrained initiator most likely to throw, and estimate the percentage?
2. Who is most likely to win: a person who attacks first or the person who responds? (With estimated percentages)
3. Which defensive action (cover, block, slip) is most likely to work best in an untrained street fight?
4. Which strike leads to the highest KO rate?
5. How many strikes can the average person throw in sequence before focus/technique breaks down?

Bonus Question: How often does the untrained fighter throw a jab (percentage)? and what is the evolutionary bio-mechanical function (highest technical priority outcome) of a jab?

1.) Haymaker
2.) Really hard one to answer. A persons upbringing and 'want-to' fully dictates the answer.
3.) Movement/footwork
4.) Haymaker
5.) Two