Karazenpo said:
An excerpt from Mike's post:
1) Flailing and lots of it. No focus and no intent of doing damage to put someone down.
2) Althletes in great condition unable to do any real damage outside of fat lips, and broken noses.
Mike, I was a little surprised about #2 above. As a matter of fact, maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any blood but then again the guy he had on the ground in the stands was out of camera view. However, the heavy set guy wearing a Pistons shirt on the court caught one right on the jaw and it didn't appear to have much of an effect on him even though he stumbled over backwards. My point is, was there no intent on doing damage as you mentioned in #1 or is it they just don't know how to throw a punch effectively for guys that big. I mean, with tempers that out of control, I think they were trying to 'tune' those fans! It doesn't appear they were holding back on the punches, I think that's just the way they fight when they can't throw a total 'sucker' punch. Just my thoughts.
Mr. Shuras,
That is exactley my point. You had well conditioned men who could do nothing but "casual" damage. I agree I didnt see anything of blood and what not I was being generous in my assessment.
This is why the "street fighter" is such a dangerous opponent. He has been in many real world confrontations, he has used that "sucker punch" countless times to great effect, he is also used to getting hit by the shots you saw on that video.
Strength and conditioning can only get you so far.
Technique can only get you so far.
Street experience can take you farther than both with no formal training.
Put all three together and that is when you have something special. A trained martial artist in the true sense for today's streets.
My position on "intent to do damage" is not anger. You can be angry as all get out and think you want to "kill" the SOB, but unless you have harnessed that rage before and thrown those shots off you will be lacking.
The Martial Arts are suppossed to give you physical training in technique and fitness as well as mental training of exposing you to known attacks and self-improvement. What you see lacking is the training for experience. The real world conditions. Most people dont even come close to the first part let alone real world conditions. Very few schools actually do, they may think they do, but really they are not.
Basketball players are trained to put balls in baskets, fans are not trained at all (with exceptions).
Us as MArtial Artists should be trained just as elite as a pro Basketball Player in our venue. Fighting (Not Fighting). In fact there may have been a few Martial Artists in that fray, but you never saw them because they used their training to escape. They also wouldnt be throwing things to "pour gas on the fire".
That shot you referenced about the guy taking it right on the face and barely moving, also shows just how acurate you need to be with your shots and using the correct weapon. Again your training does this. I for one am very glad this happend from a reality perspective. It should be a wake up call. It wont though.
