Muhammad cartoon

[Monadnock]

Bingo.

 

[michaeledward]

why is it that the only condemnation from the American Muslim community has been in regards to the cartoons but nothing about the rioting, burning and deaths that have been caused by fellow muslims?

Possibility ... Cuz you aren't listening.

http://www.cair-net.org/

U.S. Muslims Reject Violent Response to Cartoon Controversy

WASHINGTON, D.C., 2/5/06) – On Sunday, February 5, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) will hold a news conference in Washington, D.C., to express the U.S. Muslim community's rejection of violence in response to the defamatory caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad published in European newspapers.

 

[Xue Sheng]

And meanwhile the Muslim Brotherhood has appeared because of this and on an unrelated note Hamas is in control in Beirut.

Yes they extremists are a minority, but they are a very dangerous minority looking for a unifying reason.

These groups will exploit this if for no other reason to incite violence against the west.

And it is an absolutely correct statement to say it is ok for Muslims to attack the beliefs of the west, but a reverse of that is not acceptable.

However knowing that and knowing the situation in the world today, how intelligent was it for the paper in Denmark to publish this?

And even with all of this going on, you still cannot judge all Muslims by the actions of a few. There are approximately 1,504,000,000 Muslims in the world today they are not all rioting.

 

[michaeledward]

I read an interesting post on Huffington Post today about how societies can talk right past each other; unable to understand each other, leading to great misunderstandings.

The scribe compared and contrasted Massachusetts and South Carolina in the 1850's. These two states both held very strong positions on slavery, and the Nebraska territories were in the process of deciding if they were going to be an abolitionist state or not.

The different cultures of the abolitionist Massachusetts and slave holding South Carolina prohibited common ground.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-smiley/been-there-done-that_b_15192.html

Expecting Western Culture (press freedom, civil government) to be understood by those in the Middle East is as oxymoronic as our trying to understand their culture (Bishops as governmental authorities, religious law).

 

[Xue Sheng]

And meanwhile the Muslim Brotherhood has appeared because of this and on an unrelated note Hamas is in control in Beirut.

Correction:
And meanwhile the Muslim Brotherhood has appeared because of this and on an unrelated note Hamas is in control in Palestine

 

[Xue Sheng]

Expecting Western Culture (press freedom, civil government) to be understood by those in the Middle East is as oxymoronic as our trying to understand their culture (Bishops as governmental authorities, religious law).

Good article.

In America you have separation of Church and State. In Muslim nations you have no such separation, church is state.

 

[Marginal]

And meanwhile the Muslim Brotherhood has appeared because of this and on an unrelated note Hamas is in control in Beirut.

Yes they extremists are a minority, but they are a very dangerous minority looking for a unifying reason.

It is interesting how they haven't found one yet. Despite all the hoo ha over islamo-facists (a term that just popped out of thin air recently) and their goal of creating an empire from one end of Europe to the other. Outside of random rioting, there doesn't seem to be an agenda at all.

 

[Don Roley]

It is interesting how they haven't found one yet. Despite all the hoo ha over islamo-facists (a term that just popped out of thin air recently) and their goal of creating an empire from one end of Europe to the other. Outside of random rioting, there doesn't seem to be an agenda at all.

Have you ever heard of Hizb ut-Tahrir? Do a web search and be prepared to get a little paranoid.:anic:

 

[Ping898]

Here's A mature handling of the situation:


Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's best-selling newspaper has launched a competition to find the best cartoon about the Holocaust in retaliation for the publication in many European countries of caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad.

yahoo story

 

[Xue Sheng]

It is interesting how they haven't found one yet. Despite all the hoo ha over islamo-facists (a term that just popped out of thin air recently) and their goal of creating an empire from one end of Europe to the other. Outside of random rioting, there doesn't seem to be an agenda at all.

In reality, they probably will not find a reason or an impetus for the Islamic world to declare a jihad. Even in the past, long long past, when they did unify it was under 1 very powerful ruler and it did not last.

What the Muslim world wants is one nation controlled by Islam. But there are already existing separate countries there. And you have the little matter of Shiite fighting Sunni, all based on the Prophet Mohammad.

Terrorist organizations look for a justification to strike and hope for some cause that will unify Islam against the west. However I doubt they will ever achieve the Jihad they want, even for a cartoon done in very poor taste about the Prophet Mohammad.

Here's A mature handling of the situation:


Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's best-selling newspaper has launched a competition to find the best cartoon about the Holocaust in retaliation for the publication in many European countries of caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad.

yahoo story

Yup, that will solve things....not

 

[Carol]

A hypothetical question...

How can the Iranian mullacrats ask for a characture of something that they don't believe even existed?

 

[Xue Sheng]

Good question, here's another one.

How is attacking the holocaust, which effected mainly people of Jewish faith, effecting Denmark?

 

[jdinca]

Good question, here's another one.

How is attacking the holocaust, which effected mainly people of Jewish faith, effecting Denmark?

Because the Iranian President thinks this is all a conspiracy by Israel over their unhappiness with Hamas being elected to power by the Palestinians.

 

[Ping898]

This is a time line of major events I found that goes up to last Sat

30 Sept 2005: Danish paper publishes cartoons
20 Oct: Muslim ambassadors complain to Danish PM
10 Jan 2006: Norwegian publication reprints cartoons
26 Jan: Saudi Arabia recalls its ambassador
30 Jan: Gunmen raid EU's Gaza office demanding apology
31 Jan: Danish paper apologises
1 Feb: Papers in France, Germany, Italy and Spain reprint cartoons
4 Feb: Syrians attack Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus
5 Feb: Protesters sack Danish embassy in Beirut

 

[Marginal]

Have you ever heard of Hizb ut-Tahrir? Do a web search and be prepared to get a little paranoid.:anic:

I just did. When they're actually calling the shots, or leading a mass islamic movement, I'll amend my previous statement. Til then, they're just about as threatening right now as the folks who read the Turner Diaries. (Dangerous and best locked up, but not guiding or forming a cohesive group that's remotely capable of acheiving their aims.)

 

[Satt]

That's a great idea. Let's all just sit back and wait for that to happen.

 

[Marginal]

That's a great idea. Let's all just sit back and wait for that to happen.

Interesting. Just what are you personally doing to prevent this otherwise inevatible fall of Europe?

 

[Xue Sheng]

Hizb ut-Tahrir is another in a long line of terrorist organization, however it appears to have recognized that woman can be used to commit acts of terror so it gives them rights. But if my memory serves me correctly I believe Hamas started recruiting woman too.

There are a lot of Islamic terror organizations; many are splinter groups from other Islamic terror organization.

If you want a list of just some of the terrorist organizations both past and present go to

Terrorist Organization Profiles from the Institute for Counter-Terrorism Database
http://www.ict.org.il/inter_ter/org.cfm

If you want to know a bit about Hizb ut-Tahrir you can go to many places on the web, but Wikipedia gives a good over view

Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir

Most Islamic terror organizations want a unified Islam or the destruction of Israel or both. Some however appear just to be looking to blow stuff up. Many end up in an internal power struggle and many cannot get past the differences between Shiite and Sunni, which messes up the whole unified Islam thing.

It is expected that they will make a big deal, bigger than the average Muslim, out of these cartoons.

 

[jdinca]

I was watching a spot on tv the other day about female suicide bombers. One of the overriding themes was that martyrdom would allow them to be one of the "72 virgins". It's considered a position of honor.

 

[Satt]

Interesting. Just what are you personally doing to prevent this otherwise inevatible fall of Europe?

Nothing actually. I am going to do what I said, sit back and laugh as all the countries in the world fall victim to their own lack of intestinal fortitude.
opcorn: :barf: