drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
I don't want to start talking about Drop Bear, but you highlighted my point. He's selectively respectful. Which means he isn't respectful.
That is a weird way of looking at things.
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I don't want to start talking about Drop Bear, but you highlighted my point. He's selectively respectful. Which means he isn't respectful.
That is a weird way of looking at things.
I think you're very disrespectful of MMA fanboys.Let's say someone isn't racist, except that they hate Asians. Would you say that person is reapectful of race?
I think you're very disrespectful of MMA fanboys.
So, then let's go back to your question. You said this:I start off respecting them, but if they show disrespect to others, why should I respect them?
The same goes for self defense aficionados who disrespect MMA training.
By your logic, if you hate Asians, your racism is justified as long as you think some Asians hated you first? Sounds... iffy.Let's say someone isn't racist, except that they hate Asians. Would you say that person is reapectful of race?
If that is the ruler we're going to use, then all ANY of us train is MMA. Not only would that criteria make it a style, it would make it the ONLY style.
Nope. I'm judging based on actions.So, then let's go back to your question. You said this:By your logic, if you hate Asians, your racism is justified as long as you think some Asians hated you first? Sounds... iffy.
Come on, man.
While I agree for the most part in my experience it's more those who actually compete in MMA. That said, in my area the majority of those who train MMA also compete.Yeah, but that’s not generally people who actually train MMA.
Sure. Makes sense. Very surgical of you. But as you say, if you're selectively disrespectful. Here, I'll let your own words speak for you:Nope. I'm judging based on actions.
Someone trains MMA and is respectful of others, they're cool. Someone trains MMA and is an ***, they're an ***. Note that whether or not they train MMA is irrelevant. That's a nonfactor in my judgment of them.
So, even if you're being selectively racist... you're still racist. Right?He's selectively respectful. Which means he isn't respectful.
Okay. Hold up a minute. I think you're going a bit rogue here. If someone hates a group of people who all happen to be Asian, that is the very definition of racism, regardless of what in particular it is that person hates about Asians. I literally laughed when I imagined an employer trying that argument on a judge or an EEOC arbitrator.also, to nip this other in the bud. Racism is only being discrimintory/predijucial based on a persons race. If race has no factor in it, its not racism. If its based on somones sex its sexism, sexuality, i dont actually know the overarching word for that one, i dont think one exists. Class, it becomes classism etc etc etc. (some of these dont have words for them).
and in this overarching example, if somone hates asians and its not based on their race, its probbly for a very good reason. Like they have only been robbed by asians, found the overarching asian cultrure repulsive/not compatible with their views etc. Or any number of reasons like that. Its largely the reason you are allowed to dislike people/be untrust worthy of some people. But to reiterate, unless its soley based on race, its not racism or soley racism.
And i somewhat mis read the topic, but some of that has to be prefaced and estbalished before getting onto this subject, the word has been mis used and is commonly mis used.
Your first paragraph is true, but the second is completely wrong.also, to nip this other in the bud. Racism is only being discrimintory/predijucial based on a persons race. If race has no factor in it, its not racism. If its based on somones sex its sexism, sexuality, i dont actually know the overarching word for that one, i dont think one exists. Class, it becomes classism etc etc etc. (some of these dont have words for them).
and in this overarching example, if somone hates asians and its not based on their race, its probbly for a very good reason. Like they have only been robbed by asians, found the overarching asian cultrure repulsive/not compatible with their views etc. Or any number of reasons like that. Its largely the reason you are allowed to dislike people/be untrust worthy of some people. But to reiterate, unless its soley based on race, its not racism or soley racism.
And i somewhat mis read the topic, but some of that has to be prefaced and estbalished before getting onto this subject, the word has been mis used and is commonly mis used.
Sure. Makes sense. Very surgical of you. But as you say, if you're selectively disrespectful. Here, I'll let your own words speak for you: So, even if you're being selectively racist... you're still racist. Right?
You're literally arguing both sides to the middle.That was my point.
I am selective based on actions and behavior, not based on generalizations based on what group you belong to.
You're literally arguing both sides to the middle.
That was my point.
I am selective based on actions and behavior, not based on generalizations based on what group you belong to.
This is why I was trying to keep my comments more generalized instead of singling you out. I didn't want this thread to devolve into another pissing match between the two of us.Ditto.
I am respectful based on actions and behavior.
Therefore I am disrespectful.
Okay. Hold up a minute. I think you're going a bit rogue here. If someone hates a group of people who all happen to be Asian, that is the very definition of racism, regardless of what in particular it is that person hates about Asians. I literally laughed when I imagined an employer trying that argument on a judge or an EEOC arbitrator.
Now, to level set here, it's not illegal to be a racist. It's just illegal to act based on racism, whether to hire, fire, discipline, rent a home to, sell cakes to, etc. And yes, if you discriminate against a group of people for any reason, and they all just by sheer happenstance belong to the same protected base, you're probably violating the law.
This is why I was trying to keep my comments more generalized instead of singling you out. I didn't want this thread to devolve into another pissing match between the two of us.