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There is a shortage of M95 mask in hospitals.
Why are all these M95 mask not where they are needed?
Why are manufactures not being paid?
IMO this bad management.

IMO management of the government has not been good, which is part of the covid problem.
If the government can not manage M95 mask, how will the government manage vaccinations well?

Even scarier to think liberal factions were holding them back as a political tactic.
I think of you as a logical person. I don't understand the logic of the statement.
All the companies that were part of Warp Speed received billions from the government,
Most of the CEO's of these companies are Republicans, why would they want to hold back?

Fully agree with your comments and I appreciate that you see me as a logical person. I am to a fault at my own peril sometimes.

Operation Warp Speed gave strong initiatives to Senators and Governors to promote strong manufacturing programs to produce PPE. And in that respect it has succeeded in spades. My direct experience with VLS manufacturers in the southeast, who ship all over the country confirms there is either gross over production leading to a glut in the supply chain or some extremely misleading and unethical things going on at the highest level of state and federal leadership.
PPE products are out there. I can not fathom how/why there is a bottleneck, especially when I see trucks returning back full of product.
Not sure where all the billions of dollars have gone but I know they have not been conventionally processed through the supply chain. If they funds were truly released it would seem the bucks inappropriately stopped somewhere.
In regards to the supply chain and normal order placement/order reception in manufacturing it is beyond FUBAR. I was told going in on this second wave of manufacturing conversion that we would be paid late and accept that. But I am like most service industries where normal payment is net 30 days. I haven't seen net 30 at all this year. And the last 90 days have been rough. A may have to borrow operating capital for the first time in 12 years. I turned down good work from 2 new customers this year for efforts in the PPE world which, right now, seem futile. As of right now I know the work was not performed and may still be on the table for me. Hopefully those bridges have not been burned.
I was at one of the facilities where we finished the conversion at yesterday and sure enough another two tractor trailer loads of PPE were returned. Like I said, beyond FUBAR.
 

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they generally take years to perf3ct and longer to adequatly test as safe,

so yes, " rushed "is a good adjective

if thats mrans it doesnt work very well and or has serioses side effects is another

drug companies are famous , for gaming their studies to show the priduct in the best light, hence why govenment scrutiny is necersary, which isnt going to happen.

there is clearly billions to be made by beibg first, ,, if that has flvoured their reseach is a matter that only time will tell.

not forgetting that drug companirs in america are immune to civil action,for vaccines that make peopke ill

im certainly not going to be first in the queue, let them test it on a few million other people firsts


The vaccines aren't being 'rushed', they are being prioritised. Vaccines take a long time to develop because of many things, it can take a couple of years to get the money for research, find volunteers etc. Other things are also being worked on at the same time, think driving an underpowered car through a city at rush hour. The new vaccines are ready early because money is there as are the scientists, this time think driving a high powered car on a clear lane with all traffic lights at green and a police escort through the city.
 

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The vaccines aren't being 'rushed', they are being prioritised. Vaccines take a long time to develop because of many things, it can take a couple of years to get the money for research, find volunteers etc. Other things are also being worked on at the same time, think driving an underpowered car through a city at rush hour. The new vaccines are ready early because money is there as are the scientists, this time think driving a high powered car on a clear lane with all traffic lights at green and a police escort through the city.
they normally take over a decade,, it will be 12 months, it not developing the vacine thats particularly time intensive, it trials to make sure its safe, thats what they have drastically cut back on

there isnt anyway to safely short cut that,, if it takes 5 years to cause problems, you need to wait 5 years to see if it causes problems, i foresee covid vacine syndrome on the horizon

and as i keep saying they are only looking to vacinate 3% of the adult population any time soon, so that would be all the front line staff and a grw old timers,, so even if it works and even if it doesnt kill all the doctors and nurses, whoch woukd be some what unfortunete,, your not getting one, unless your am old timer, im not getting one, 97% of the population isnt getting one

boris jas orders 3 milion doses, that 1.5 milkion people, that all that getting it in the short to mediterm term
 
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The vaccines aren't being 'rushed', they are being prioritised. Vaccines take a long time to develop because of many things, it can take a couple of years to get the money for research, find volunteers etc. Other things are also being worked on at the same time, think driving an underpowered car through a city at rush hour. The new vaccines are ready early because money is there as are the scientists, this time think driving a high powered car on a clear lane with all traffic lights at green and a police escort through the city.
The money isn't the problem and the drug companies have stated this many times when Trump was trying to push them to come up with a Vaccine. The problem is time. The normal trial that drugs go through take time.

The pharmaceutical companies keep saying that it takes time but no one is listening. The fact that companies have to get an Emergency Use Authorization in the US should highlight that the drug has not completed normal testing and development.

This answers questions about COVID-19 Vaccines and the timeline
Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Vaccines


Vaccines in Phase 3 Clinical Trials
As of November 24, 2020, large-scale (Phase 3) clinical trials are in progress or being planned for five COVID-19 vaccines in the United States:
  • AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine
  • Janssen’s COVID-19 vaccine
  • Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine
  • Novavax’s COVID-19 vaccine
  • Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines.html

The clinical trials may or may not be completed before the end of flu season. Companies may want to use all of the winter to help with their testing especially since the spread is so bad now. This means that the US situation is good for testing since the infection rate is so high. If you want know if a Vaccine protects against infection then right now is the best time to test as 100,000+ get infected everyday in the U.S.

In terms of the US the new Vaccines will be available early because of the Emergency Use Authorization and not because the vaccine has gone through all of the normal development processes. Will I get a vaccine? yeah eventually but I'm not messing with the first batch. And depending on how they distribute the vaccine. I may not be able to get the first batch even if I wanted to. They will prioritize who gets the vaccine first (here in the U.S.).
 

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I am an ex teacher and coach.
Most teachers I know are old and not healthy.
Can you imagine teaching class knowing you might get sick and die.

 

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I am an ex teacher and coach.
Most teachers I know are old and not healthy.
Can you imagine teaching class knowing you might get sick and die.

well if they are of that mind, they can give up teaching, easy, sorted it for you,
 

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Because you ignore the cogent arguments and make up fantasies instead. Calling attention to the lack of value of those fantasies is quite appropriate.
it looks like a personal attack to me and now youve joined in, that appears to be against the site rules, so the mods tell me if i do it?
 

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The money isn't the problem and the drug companies have stated this many times when Trump was trying to push them to come up with a Vaccine. The problem is time. The normal trial that drugs go through take time.

The pharmaceutical companies keep saying that it takes time but no one is listening. The fact that companies have to get an Emergency Use Authorization in the US should highlight that the drug has not completed normal testing and development.

This answers questions about COVID-19 Vaccines and the timeline
Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Vaccines


Vaccines in Phase 3 Clinical Trials
As of November 24, 2020, large-scale (Phase 3) clinical trials are in progress or being planned for five COVID-19 vaccines in the United States:
  • AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine
  • Janssen’s COVID-19 vaccine
  • Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine
  • Novavax’s COVID-19 vaccine
  • Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines.html

The clinical trials may or may not be completed before the end of flu season. Companies may want to use all of the winter to help with their testing especially since the spread is so bad now. This means that the US situation is good for testing since the infection rate is so high. If you want know if a Vaccine protects against infection then right now is the best time to test as 100,000+ get infected everyday in the U.S.

In terms of the US the new Vaccines will be available early because of the Emergency Use Authorization and not because the vaccine has gone through all of the normal development processes. Will I get a vaccine? yeah eventually but I'm not messing with the first batch. And depending on how they distribute the vaccine. I may not be able to get the first batch even if I wanted to. They will prioritize who gets the vaccine first (here in the U.S.).
the uk govenment has proudly announced its the first in the world to approve the vacine, which makes me even more suspicious

they are being some what vague about who, how many and when, rather they are holding it up as a light at the end of a tunnel, to keep the population on side, failing to mention at all that they can only vacinate 3 % of the population

a quick vox pop in the local rown revealed that most people are deeply suspicious and wont be queueibg up for the vacine

a minister has also dennied that it will be mandatory to rejoin society, which of course means it will
 

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the uk govenment has proudly announced its the first in the world to approve the vacine, which makes me even more suspicious

they are being some what vague about who, how many and when, rather they are holding it up as a light at the end of a tunnel, to keep the population on side, failing to mention at all that they can only vacinate 3 % of the population

a quick vox pop in the local rown revealed that most people are deeply suspicious and wont be queueibg up for the vacine

a minister has also dennied that it will be mandatory to rejoin society, which of course means it will
Well there goes my optimism. The U.S. is selling it as if it was fully tested over there. Minus what happens after year 1,2.3.4.etc of use
 

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Well there goes my optimism. The U.S. is selling it as if it was fully tested over there. Minus what happens after year 1,2.3.4.etc of use
the uk have teviewed the figures given by the company and said, yea, looks fine, lets go for it,

the american generall insist on the raw data and anylyise it them selves

several European countries are also nift at us jumping the gun, germany for one who are going through proper proceedure
 

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the uk have teviewed the figures given by the company and said, yea, looks fine, lets go for it,

the american generall insist on the raw data and anylyise it them selves

several European countries are also nift at us jumping the gun, germany for one who are going through proper proceedure
I'll definitely be watching closely. According to the news here, there are a lot of people who are cautious because of how quickly these vaccines are being pushed out. In terms of profit, it's a gold mine. I just hope the profits from being first to market don't blind the companies. Upper management and stakeholders will still have influence on things. I hope they all do the right ting and for back up. I hope those who are approving it don't go into panic mode and just accept anything.

A lot of where the U.S. is now with Covid -19 is due to our own stupidity. Now we are looking for a fast way to fix what what we caused. I hope for the safety of those in the medical field that the drug companies get it right.
 

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100,000 + in hospital. Covid and non covid people are not going to be cared for properly, because the hospitals are full.
 

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California is also lockdown due to Covid 19. But people don't care some people are not wearing mask and not keeping distant. With that said i don't know when the vaccine will be available hope fully by next year or end of december this pendemic got all people sick and some died due to covid. I hope covid be gone soon I'm tired of staying home. Zoom on karate is not good don't much have space and i don't have a partner to work with
 

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California is also lockdown due to Covid 19. But people don't care some people are not wearing mask and not keeping distant. With that said i don't know when the vaccine will be available hope fully by next year or end of december this pendemic got all people sick and some died due to covid. I hope covid be gone soon I'm tired of staying home. Zoom on karate is not good don't much have space and i don't have a partner to work with

I did hear about California recently... have a few karate friends there... thinking of you all. Stay safe and keep training, in whatever way you can. I liked treating the isolation as simply yet another aspect of training and the path, and adapting to the circumstances being a big part of martial arts. You can get incredibly creative with what you can do!

Stay safe brother
 

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I did hear about California recently... have a few karate friends there... thinking of you all. Stay safe and keep training, in whatever way you can. I liked treating the isolation as simply yet another aspect of training and the path, and adapting to the circumstances being a big part of martial arts. You can get incredibly creative with what you can do!

Stay safe brother
Thanks Brother
 

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In a time of crisis, the Senate wants to hear from Jane Orien who believes in herd immunity and is promoting hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19.
Are they trying to kill us? Why can't they do something positive like give the people of this country some help?
Controversial doctor who questioned coronavirus vaccine to testify at Senate hearing
she is an eminent dr, one of several hundred eninent dr, who dont agree with the current strategy,

why have you chosen to belive one set of drs and not another,?
 

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she is an eminent dr, one of several hundred eninent dr, who dont agree with the current strategy,

No, she is a discredited quack.

why have you chosen to belive one set of drs and not another,?

Because one set presents scientific evidence. The other believes alien lizards are developing a vaccine to prevent religious beliefs.
 
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