Lone wing chun practitioners need help!!!

[Haris Lamboo Faisal]

Actually, I just watched your clip again-
Skip tips 1-3 and just do number 4.

honestly! finding a teacher is what i've been trying to do for the past 2 months ... and its just not happening at the moment , i would really like to have someone teach me ... now atleast i have ip man's authentic version of SKT to work with and the weaknesses in my structure and the shoulders sometimes raising have been duly noted. Elbows in shoulders down , that i can do , with how much proficiency , i wouldnt be able to tell you , but yip man's version is quite different from the previous image of SLT in my head. So im going to try it.

EDIT: until luck changes.

 

[Nabakatsu]

The learning comes in stages. Perhaps for awhile you will force your elbows and shoulders down into position, and than eventually you will relax and keep things in place in a loose manner. The learning process seems to be constant evolution.

 

[tenzen]

like we all said from the beginning, what you are doing is wrong not to mention horrible. We do applaude your efforts but be patient and find a qualified instructor. And for gods sakes man don't try to teach that to anyone ever.

 

[profesormental]

Greetings.

I ask, before anything, what is your purpose or driving motivation to learn Wing Chun?

If you want a good base to learn how to fight and defend yourself, it is better to train with live humans, so going to the MMA schools you mentioned that are near would be good. You'd be training with others that will fight and resist. That is good experience.

Here's the thing.

high level Wing Chun, as in any kind of high level martial practice, requires a knowledgeable teacher to correct details.

As I said, you need very good visual-kinesthetic awareness so you can self correct. That takes constant correction for a while from a teacher that knows how things are done right.

Thus it would be a good idea to train in a school with others so you can develop the body awareness needed to learn via other methods.

Without body awareness and self correction, remote learning of a physical activity that requires such details is hard.

Yet there are partner drills that could benefit you and help you develop better attributes, without having to work the forms. There are many variations, and you need deep knowledge to know why the variations exist and which is better for you.

Yet I think you would be better off having training and experience in the schools near your area to build basic fundamental body awareness, body control, fitness, etc.

With such a base, your body will be able to learn better and faster any other physical skill. And when you find a knowledgeable teacher, you will be better equipped.

Hope that helps.

Juan Mercado

P.S. If you have SPECIFIC questions, it would be more beneficial and easier to answer. Also it would create good discussion without focus on the fact that you want to learn remotely.

 

[cwk]

honestly! finding a teacher is what i've been trying to do for the past 2 months ... and its just not happening at the moment , i would really like to have someone teach me ... now atleast i have ip man's authentic version of SKT to work with and the weaknesses in my structure and the shoulders sometimes raising have been duly noted. Elbows in shoulders down , that i can do , with how much proficiency , i wouldnt be able to tell you , but yip man's version is quite different from the previous image of SLT in my head. So im going to try it.

EDIT: until luck changes.

Don't take it to heart kid, I was only pulling your leg.Hence the smiley face.

 

[Haris Lamboo Faisal]

Greetings.

I ask, before anything, what is your purpose or driving motivation to learn Wing Chun?

If you want a good base to learn how to fight and defend yourself, it is better to train with live humans, so going to the MMA schools you mentioned that are near would be good. You'd be training with others that will fight and resist. That is good experience.

Here's the thing.

high level Wing Chun, as in any kind of high level martial practice, requires a knowledgeable teacher to correct details.

As I said, you need very good visual-kinesthetic awareness so you can self correct. That takes constant correction for a while from a teacher that knows how things are done right.

Thus it would be a good idea to train in a school with others so you can develop the body awareness needed to learn via other methods.

Without body awareness and self correction, remote learning of a physical activity that requires such details is hard.

Yet there are partner drills that could benefit you and help you develop better attributes, without having to work the forms. There are many variations, and you need deep knowledge to know why the variations exist and which is better for you.

Yet I think you would be better off having training and experience in the schools near your area to build basic fundamental body awareness, body control, fitness, etc.

With such a base, your body will be able to learn better and faster any other physical skill. And when you find a knowledgeable teacher, you will be better equipped.

Hope that helps.

Juan Mercado

P.S. If you have SPECIFIC questions, it would be more beneficial and easier to answer. Also it would create good discussion without focus on the fact that you want to learn remotely.

AS it stands right now what all of you are saying makes sense to me or i wouldnt be here replying to a thread that is obviously atleast getting somewhere for the most part ... thanks to you guys i have bee able to establish that the SLT i learnt was of a different lineage , perhaps less comparable to yip man's,but i think im getting ahead of myself and really need to focus on the very basics before i can move forward for obvious reasons ... i'd imagine there would be hand positions like fuk sao ,wu sao, tan sau, bong sao and the likes , okay my biggest question to you is , i know this is a commitment something i wholeheartedly want to do , how much should i practice and should i begin by identifying the hand positions or the form first?( keeping in mind ofcourse that i am well aware of my centreline , economy of motion and conservation of energy)

 

[Haris Lamboo Faisal]

Don't take it to heart kid, I was only pulling your leg.Hence the smiley face.

Damn im better at reading a human face than a forum post , but the smiley was definately there lol .... i have reconsidered teaching what i've learnt to my partner and it is currently on hold , we shifted to endurance drills and tests of stamina until i can wrap my mind and body around the differences in the SLT i had learnt and Yip man's SLT vid that was so kindly presented to me by yak sao.

 

[zepedawingchun]

I say bring it , ready as i've ever been.

Okay Im in the process of uploading the SLT Video. i didnt make this just now but was recorded a few days ago i think.

EDit: SLT video uploaded , don't know if im blowing smoke up your *** or if you guys are blowing smoke up mine but please he gentle haha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMGRUDWN3DA&feature=channel_video_title

Ladies and gentelmen of the jury, the defense has proven my case. The defenant Haris Lamboo Faisal is guilty of all charges I have made. The prosecution rests ! ! !

What was that? (Imitation of Bruce Lee from Enter the Dragon). As Yak Sau and wtxs stated, the form(?) on the video was wrong on so many different levels. It was truely bizzarre, I didn't see any movements in there that even resembles Wing Chun, much less used like Wing Chun. I'm guessing here, but at least one of the forms you've been watching and imitating are from William Cheung lineage, correct? What you were doing looks very karate like, hard, stiff, snappy movements much like Cheungs, but not even looking close to his system. Nothing chinese about it. No offense meant Haris Lamboo Faisal, but I say hang it up buddy before you make it even worse.

I have more to say (not to you Haris Lamboo Faisal) but don't have time to write it. Later today if I get the chance. Today is Mother's Day in the U.S, and I have to attend to mine.

 

[Haris Lamboo Faisal]

fair enough ... i shall return in a day or two see where this forum gets me =)
I would like to add the by no means do i consider one lineage better than the other but it is my opinion that i would like to know even the slightest differences in technique between all. But that is talk for way down the road.

 

[tenzen]

I wouldn't say it was from cheungs lineage, which by the way faisal comes from ip man. It looks more like something from that klauss brand guy, which would come from leung ting which would come from no one knows because no one can verify him ever ever ever training with ip sifu. He is a complete mystery there. And faisal if you are aware of the centerline theory your video shows just that, you are aware that it exists but have no grasp of the actual concept. Stick to chain punching and that only until you get to an instructor.

 

[mook jong man]

Alright I watched the video I couldn't help myself , It's a bit like when you drive past a car accident you just have to have a bit of stickybeak even though you don't want to.

To save on time and typing I am going to ignore everything else that was wrong and just say get your wrist's on the damn centreline and keep them there.

Your enthusiasm is to be commended , I wish there were a few more people like you in my own country that had such a desire to learn Wing Chun.
But it seems like you are up **** creek without a paddle as far as finding someone to teach you in your area.

So I would recommend that you go and find a nice cheap boxing gym as an alternative , it's not Wing Chun but at least you will get some experience at hitting pads and moving targets.
I have taught boxers before and it didn't seem to take them as long to adjust to Wing Chun as it did for people that came from other martial systems.

At least you could do that until sometime further down the track and your circumstances change and you can find a quality Wing Chun school.

 

[Domino]

i've called and talked to both places one is about 800 km from where i live and the other is shut down :S

I find sil lim tao in itself simple enough ... also chum kiu i have been slowly pracxticing and elarning to make sure i dont miss any details ... i'm gonna upload a sill lim tao and chum kiu video of mine here. and you guys are welcome to comment. if you like

You're welcome
If it means alot to you and you're old enough, move house.
And like the others have said, it's the things you dont see that make all the difference. (intent, angles, pressure or tension, motion)

 

[Haris Lamboo Faisal]

You're welcome
If it means alot to you and you're old enough, move house.
And like the others have said, it's the things you dont see that make all the difference. (intent, angles, pressure or tension, motion)

thank you but i would be doing the people who love me a terrible injustice if i were to move. However i Have to admit i owe everyone here an apology.

1. Thinking i was some sort of a genius who could move too fast.
2. More importantly, Not giving the intricacies and details of wing chun the proper respect they deserve.

But the intricacies made me want to learn wing chun even more ... i think i'm obsessed with it now :S
As an apology for showing you guys that apalling thing of a sil lim tao i have put together something that might make me want to commit seppuku less... I hope it is more to your tastes than the first one for it took me a considerable about of time and some good luck to figure out though i know its not perfect i would be truthfully happy if it pleased you. apologies for the one edit.

Here's the link.

If you guys dont like this im going to go joina boxing gym haha =p

 

[Haris Lamboo Faisal]

I wouldn't say it was from cheungs lineage, which by the way faisal comes from ip man. It looks more like something from that klauss brand guy, which would come from leung ting which would come from no one knows because no one can verify him ever ever ever training with ip sifu. He is a complete mystery there. And faisal if you are aware of the centerline theory your video shows just that, you are aware that it exists but have no grasp of the actual concept. Stick to chain punching and that only until you get to an instructor.

I apologise for not knowing my lineages and for mocking sil lim tao badly ... but in spite of that i'm sorta obsessed with wing chun and so i redid and tried to relearn sil lim tao as best i could , please dont hate me for it but i would be much obliged if you take a look at the video link above and if you think it is still wrong i will join a mma school until i can find a WC sifu for i want to learn properly! thankyou for the comment.

 

[Haris Lamboo Faisal]

Alright I watched the video I couldn't help myself , It's a bit like when you drive past a car accident you just have to have a bit of stickybeak even though you don't want to.

To save on time and typing I am going to ignore everything else that was wrong and just say get your wrist's on the damn centreline and keep them there.

Your enthusiasm is to be commended , I wish there were a few more people like you in my own country that had such a desire to learn Wing Chun.
But it seems like you are up **** creek without a paddle as far as finding someone to teach you in your area.

So I would recommend that you go and find a nice cheap boxing gym as an alternative , it's not Wing Chun but at least you will get some experience at hitting pads and moving targets.
I have taught boxers before and it didn't seem to take them as long to adjust to Wing Chun as it did for people that came from other martial systems.

At least you could do that until sometime further down the track and your circumstances change and you can find a quality Wing Chun school.

Not so fast there mook ... please do me the favour of watching this version of the video which is a few posts up ... it is in a way the fruits of my labors since you pointed out some really nice points about the form i would really like you to see it ... if you think it is still wrong i will go join a mma school and wait for a WC sifu patiently. For i like to always learn.

 

[yak sao]

I have to commend you....that at least is starting to look like WC.....there is much to work on.
I wish I had a dozen students with your drive.
Even though I will always believe WC is best learned from a live teacher I would be willing to do what I can to help you out. Maybe some short video tutorials?
I mean hell, if you're going to do it, why not at least get some help, right???

 

[mook jong man]

Ok , mate your starting to win me over , that is something we may be able to start working with.
But you have to decide which lineage you are going to do , otherwise you are just going to confuse yourself and us .

I only have expertise in my lineage as I have not done any other , whilst there are some things I think are universal , there are marked differences in both the terminology of some movements and the way they are performed across the different lineages.

If you are determined to do this , and it looks like you are , then I suggest that you break up the Sil Lum Tao into it's three sections like as what would happen in a proper Kwoon for a beginner student.
Just learn the first section first , and do not advance to learning the other sections until you have received some feed back to see how well or badly you are doing it.

Regarding your latest cinematic masterpiece , fix the lighting up , we can't see what you are doing , it looks like a bad 70's porno movie.

These things are pretty universal I reckon when it comes to Wing Chun , when you measure your stance out , bend the knees , then toes out , then heels out.

Heels should be shoulder width apart , toes should be pointing towards the centre , If I straightened my arm out and visualised lines coming from my feet , they would meet roughly where the end of my arm is to form the apex of a triangle

Tilt your pelvis forward , so the hips are locked in and the spine is straightened , this joins the upper and lower body into one cohesive unit.

Look side on in a mirror , from the back of the the shoulders to the knees should be a straight line , check to make sure you are not leaning back , back of shoulders in line with back of heels ,no further.

Sink your weight down so that knees are approximately just over the toes and weight is evenly distributed .

I must state that this is only my lineages version of the stance , other lineages will have an emphasis on having a linkage effect between the knees , in ours we just sink down and relax.

I am not going to worry about up top because I don't know what you are doing , there seem to be some weird embellishments to the form that I haven't seen before.
Maybe someone else can recognise it , but whatever you are doing , initiate the movement from the elbow and except for when striking , and the sidewards parry maintain the angle of the arm , and keep the wrists on the centreline .

Remember , get competent one section at a time before you go any further .

 

[tenzen]

Hmmm... very awkward. Your feet are all wrong and you don't readjust them during the form. A lot of your angles appear to be off and your fist is closed during your bong sau, that's gonna cause you to damage the radial nerve giving the funny bone effect. The hand should be like the wing of a crane there. Also your tan sau is too low. There's a lot of craziness going on and you are very unsure of yourself. Listen to what mook has said about learning slt in its sections and don't progress to the next one until someone in here gives you the go ahead.

Could you direct us to the video you are using so we may better figure out how to help you and with what lineage you are working from. To me it almost looks like the master wong stuff but does have some resemblance to the cheung stuff. Its kind of confusing because I see elements from man different lineages which would mean that you are trying to learn it from a few video sources. Is that the case? If so you will have to pick one source and stick with it.

That website i posted for you a few pages back is for people like yourself who are trying to learn online. Thats why i posted it for you. Obviously we dont believe in that but it can be a big help for you and what your attempting to do. It breaks everythin down for you. Give it a looking over and see what you can get out of it. In the meantime direct us to your current video source so we can figure this madness out.

 

[Domino]

thank you but i would be doing the people who love me a terrible injustice if i were to move. However i Have to admit i owe everyone here an apology.

1. Thinking i was some sort of a genius who could move too fast.
2. More importantly, Not giving the intricacies and details of wing chun the proper respect they deserve.

But the intricacies made me want to learn wing chun even more ... i think i'm obsessed with it now :S
As an apology for showing you guys that apalling thing of a sil lim tao i have put together something that might make me want to commit seppuku less... I hope it is more to your tastes than the first one for it took me a considerable about of time and some good luck to figure out though i know its not perfect i would be truthfully happy if it pleased you. apologies for the one edit.

Here's the link.

If you guys dont like this im going to go joina boxing gym haha =p

Thats very thoughtful to your family and I have been there myself but sometimes we must concentrate on ourselves.
No need for apologies, your on a long journey learning allsorts as you go, you didn't make a mistake, you just learn't something.

2 things in your 1st section of SLT, circling your hand at the wrist not the arm and when feeding your tan sau relax and come up to shoulder height or else it will be ineffective.

 

[zepedawingchun]

thank you but i would be doing the people who love me a terrible injustice if i were to move. However i Have to admit i owe everyone here an apology.

1. Thinking i was some sort of a genius who could move too fast.
2. More importantly, Not giving the intricacies and details of wing chun the proper respect they deserve.

But the intricacies made me want to learn wing chun even more ... i think i'm obsessed with it now :S
As an apology for showing you guys that apalling thing of a sil lim tao i have put together something that might make me want to commit seppuku less... I hope it is more to your tastes than the first one for it took me a considerable about of time and some good luck to figure out though i know its not perfect i would be truthfully happy if it pleased you. apologies for the one edit.

Here's the link.

If you guys dont like this im going to go joina boxing gym haha =p

Ditto on what Domino, mook jong man, tenzen, and yak sau about this link. Actually looks a lot better, more like Wing Chun. But, I still have to say, I disagree with what you are doing, trying to learn Wing Chun by yourself, even with the help of members from this forum.