Kung Fu in mainland China- a discussion?

[Vajramusti]

Mao and traditional kung fu in mainland China. The Communist revolution China appears to have had devastating
results in mainland China. Bad enough when Mao came to power- much worse with the Cultural revolution.
Chen taiji survived despite terrorization by Red guards. Chen Xiao wang has brought about a great revival
despite the damage to his father. Some Xing Yi and Pakua folks went to Taiwan, SEsia and elsewhere.

Later showy wu shu emerged."Martial" became an unwelcome legacy.

In wing chun-Ip Man left for Macau and then Hong Kong.Even though a couple of his early disciples were left behind IM took much with him.
Neither WSL or HKM thought that any good wing chun was left on the mainland.
Then with videos you see the see-do versions. But then even in the UK and US video watchers seem to abound.
I am just sharing a view point.

 

[KPM]

Neither WSL or HKM thought that any good wing chun was left on the mainland.
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But since so many of them went "underground" or practiced in remote areas, how would they know? Sum Nun's students seemed to have survived and done well in Guang Dong. The Pin Sun guys were still going strong in Ku Lo village.

 

[Xue Sheng]

The thing to always take into consideration on mainland china, pre-mao and doubly so when Mao was in power is...the nail that stands up gets pounded down.

 

[ivanr]

People in China have experienced hard times, no doubt.

But who says that good/traditional kung fu in China is not survived is either a) idiot, b) uninformed. BTW - you know that in China is no anymore good Chinese cuisine? All good cooks emigrated to the Holy America or Taiwan ... When i went first time to China, i was under strong influence of european "Hong Kong Yip Man Wing Chun" people and their silly ideas about that thema. Most of them mix of both cathegoryes a) + b), with very few exceptions. I expected in China "the worst" and found "the best"!
Most interesting thing is, most of that "experts" never went to China and have not even basic knowledge of cantonese or chinese. They just repeat, repeat, repeat something very stupid.

Problem is, how to find your teacher over there - to many, and to many same like in other coutryes, rubish... And then - communication. Sometimes people are looking for apple in computer store.

But again - people in China, so kung fu people too, have experienced hard times, no doubt...

 

[geezer]

And then - communication. Sometimes people are looking for apple in computer store....

Apple? In a computer store? Do you mean the fruit or the computer? And, do you realize you have just made a pun illustrating the problems of miscommunication?

 

[geezer]

And then - communication. Sometimes people are looking for apple in computer store....

Apple? In a computer store? Do you mean the fruit or the computer? And, do you realize you have just made a pun illustrating the problems of miscommunication?


So did you study a branch of Yip Man Wing Chun before? And now you follow a mainland instructor? Why not share a little about yourself and your experiences?

 

[Xue Sheng]

well, you generally do not find apples

In a computer store

You also do not find computers in the Apple store

Or at least that is what a Mac user will tell you....

 

[KPM]

Apple? In a computer store? Do you mean the fruit or the computer? And, do you realize you have just made a pun illustrating the problems of miscommunication?


So did you study a branch of Yip Man Wing Chun before? And now you follow a mainland instructor? Why not share a little about yourself and your experiences?

Ivan is probably more well-traveled than Sergio! It would be great to hear some of his insights and experiences with mainland Chinese instructors. How about it Ivan? I know you spent a lot of time with Wong Nim Yi? Who else have you studied with? Thanks!

 

[guy b.]

Mao and traditional kung fu in mainland China. The Communist revolution China appears to have had devastating
results in mainland China. Bad enough when Mao came to power- much worse with the Cultural revolution.
Chen taiji survived despite terrorization by Red guards. Chen Xiao wang has brought about a great revival
despite the damage to his father. Some Xing Yi and Pakua folks went to Taiwan, SEsia and elsewhere.

Later showy wu shu emerged."Martial" became an unwelcome legacy.

In wing chun-Ip Man left for Macau and then Hong Kong.Even though a couple of his early disciples were left behind IM took much with him.
Neither WSL or HKM thought that any good wing chun was left on the mainland.
Then with videos you see the see-do versions. But then even in the UK and US video watchers seem to abound.
I am just sharing a view point.

You are saying that all of the pin sun, kulo, yks and other wing chun that has been creeping out of the woodwork in various places is made up by watching YM wing chun and that real wing chun died in China?

 

[Xue Sheng]

Wang Zhi Peng is Wing Chun and in Beijing, but he may be YM lineage.

There is another lineage on Mainland, but I cannot remember the name of that version

 

[PiedmontChun]

Wang Zhi Peng is Wing Chun and in Beijing, but he may be YM lineage.

There is another lineage on Mainland, but I cannot remember the name of that version

He is YM lineage, via Wong Sheung Leung > Li Heng-Chang > Wang Zhi Peng.

 

[geezer]

You are saying that all of the pin sun, kulo, yks and other wing chun that has been creeping out of the woodwork in various places is made up by watching YM wing chun and that real wing chun died in China?

I saw Joy's post. I didn't read that. Anybody else read that?

Actually, I was a little confused . It was something about these:

You know, I've never ridden one of them see-do thingies.

 

[Xue Sheng]

That's ok, I have never ridden one of those sea-do thingies either...but my very first sensei (Jujutsu) rode one from Florida to Bahamas......

 

[Vajramusti]

I saw Joy's post. I didn't read that. Anybody else read that?

Actually, I was a little confused . It was something about these:

You know, I've never ridden one of them see-do thingies.

 

[Vajramusti]

Confused? Dem are boat people.

 

[Xue Sheng]

It is just the 21st century paying homage to

 

[yak sao]

You know, I've never ridden one of them see-do thingies.

That's because you live in a desert, do they have water in Arizona?

 

[Vajramusti]

Yes. some- but it is a challenge at times.
We get the water that California, agribusinesses, utilities
and golf courses dont use up

 

[guy b.]

I saw Joy's post. I didn't read that. Anybody else read that?

Actually, I was a little confused . It was something about these:

You know, I've never ridden one of them see-do thingies.

What did you read?

It doesn't seem to say much to me.

Is it a kind of clever in-joke?

n wing chun-Ip Man left for Macau and then Hong Kong.Even though a couple of his early disciples were left behind IM took much with him.
Neither WSL or HKM thought that any good wing chun was left on the mainland.

Understand this bit. WSL and HKM thought no wing chun left in China. Ok

Then with videos you see the see-do versions.

What's a see-do version? I would guess a wing chun made up fro watching someone else do wing chun. Is this what Joy means and what is the point? Is it that Joy thinks WSL and HKM correct in their assumptions? See-do versions from where? China? HK?

But then even in the UK and US video watchers seem to abound.

Would assume this means Joy is saying that lots of people copy these made up wing chuns? Again from where, China or HK? I can think of potential examples from both places.

I am just sharing a view point.

What is your point of view? Post is about as clear as mud.

 

[geezer]

What is your point of view? Post is about as clear as mud.

I read the same post as you Guy, and think you understood it pretty much the same way I did. So anyway, ...ever ride on a "Sea-Doo"? Looks more fun than a red boat. But less room to train long pole.