Kou Bu Ryu Karate??

[Spinedoc]

Anyone familiar with this?

My daughters Martial Arts Center, teaches predominately Korean arts, including TKD (which she is taking), Hapkido, etc. In addition, they teach a traditional Okinawan Karate they call Kou Bu Ryu. Upon trying to find out more about this, mainly out of just plain curiosity, as I had not heard of it before, it seems to be related to Pwang Gai Noon Ryu, or Han Ko Nan Ryu.

Anyone know anything more? I'm just curious as I had never heard of that style before. :asian:

Mike

 

[K-man]

Not that I'm familiar with this style but it seems to be a splinter from Uechi Ryu which is one of the genuine traditional martial arts of Okinawa. If they are following the teaching of Kanbun Uechi, it should be very good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uechi-ryū
:asian:

 

[punisher73]

It is a splinter group off of Uechi-Ryu. Here is a little of their history. There is a school close by where I live that teaches this style also, which is where I had first heard of it.

http://www.3battleskarate.com/style.php

I believe that after Kanbun & Kanei Uechi died there were some groups that split off from the main Uechi style and renamed what they did. This style was called Pangainoon Ryu at one point, and then renamed as "Konan Ryu" and then in 2000, it was renamed again to Kobu-Ryu (Kinjo's fighting style). They use the same main 8 kata of Uechi ryu and an additional one that Kinjo Sensei developed.

 

[Spinedoc]

It is a splinter group off of Uechi-Ryu. Here is a little of their history. There is a school close by where I live that teaches this style also, which is where I had first heard of it.

http://www.3battleskarate.com/style.php

I believe that after Kanbun & Kanei Uechi died there were some groups that split off from the main Uechi style and renamed what they did. This style was called Pangainoon Ryu at one point, and then renamed as "Konan Ryu" and then in 2000, it was renamed again to Kobu-Ryu (Kinjo's fighting style). They use the same main 8 kata of Uechi ryu and an additional one that Kinjo Sensei developed.

Thank you, that was very helpful. One of my friends, unbeknownst to me, is actually a student there. He's trying to convince me to come once a week to augment my Aikido training and to help with conditioning.....

I think I should just focus on the Aikido for now....NTTAWWT!

 

[K-man]

Thank you, that was very helpful. One of my friends, unbeknownst to me, is actually a student there. He's trying to convince me to come once a week to augment my Aikido training and to help with conditioning.....

I think I should just focus on the Aikido for now....NTTAWWT!

Maybe down the track a bit. Aikido training is great to help you understand karate but not necessarily vice versa. Aikido stresses keeping relaxed and blending with your opponent's energy, some karate is quite the opposite. I've not seen Uechi Ryu first hand but what you often see on Youtube is quite hard. The original name, 'Pangai-noon' was half hard, half soft , similar to 'Goju' which is hard and soft, but in practice the 'soft' is often missing. That's why I said it can help your karate but not vice versa.
:asian:

 

[opr1945]

I found out there is a martial arts school near me that teaches this style, Kou Bu Ryu Karate, among other things.

The pre4vious posts on this thread were from 2013. Anything new to add to the old posts?

 

[isshinryuronin]

I found out there is a martial arts school near me that teaches this style, Kou Bu Ryu Karate, among other things.

The pre4vious posts on this thread were from 2013. Anything new to add to the old posts?

Just a commentary on splinter groups in general as there may be schools that do not fit the mold and for the fact I do not know the individuals concerned.

There are commonly a couple of ways a splinter group comes into being (as far as modern karate is concerned). A senior student of the master has a falling out of some kind and splinters off, or the master passes away and there are several heirs one whom splinters off as he doesn't want to follow the heir apparent. In either case there may be honorable or dishonorable reasons (or somewhere in between) for this breaking away.

The potential danger of this is that the one who has splintered wishes to distance himself from the mainline style and not only comes up with a new name for it but makes changes to the style as well to create further separation. He may not have the knowledge of the mainline master and since no longer is learning from him there is a chance the new splinter style will be inferior. In any event, making changes to the style simply to justify having a new name (and "master" rank) likely has little benefit to the art, though there may be a commercial benefit.

Sometimes the splinter groups are not so much new styles, albeit with a new name, but separate organizations each with its own "master". Ed Parker had a number of black belts who broke away and started their own thing, often still keeping "kenpo" as part of the name, making minor changes and not having strong ties to the founder.
Isshinryu has many organizations, each with their own "master" (a situation I personally wish didn't exist) but each one still pays homage to founder Tatsuo Shimabuku and are pretty much identical to what he taught. They still identify as "isshinryu".

I have no idea why someone felt the need to break away from Uechi ryu and start kobu or konan ryu and if they are different in actual style or just in name.

 

[isshinryuronin]

I believe that after Kanbun & Kanei Uechi died there were some groups that split off from the main Uechi style and renamed what they did. This style was called Pangainoon Ryu

I believe this is somewhat incorrect. Uechi Kanbun studied in Fukian, China for many years and learned (or developed) what he called Pangai No'on which was a combination of that region's styles (largely Crane). During WWII he (or his son, Kanei) changed the name to Uechi ryu.

 

[opr1945]

"I have no idea why someone felt the need to break away from Uechi ryu and start kobu or konan ryu and if they are different in actual style or just in name."

The guy at the Dojo told me that "Kobu was a modernization of Uechi ryu. Some moves in the Katas were removed and replaced by newer moves. And one new Kata was created." The example he cited was in one Kata there was an intance where one block was repeated three times in a row. He said that was unnecessary today and two of the blocks were removed in the Kata and replaced with punches.

Obviously, I am a novice to Karate and this is what I took him to say. I can't answer any questions about its substance. I am merely repeating what I think he said.

 

[opr1945]

Anyone have recent information/opinion on this off shoot of Uechi ryu???

 

[opr1945]

Found this

Koburyu – Koburyu Karate and Kobudo

koburyu.org