Kframe
Black Belt
I don't want to be combative, so chriss, if came off that way, im sorry. Ok. I have been working on my home and thinking about this. Ok. im armored up, got my weapons and I head out on to the battle field. Im engaged with the opponent, what are my odds of either of us being pulled to the ground.. Secondly, I must rememeber this was a supplemental art, not a primary art, thusly its not going to cover all areas.. Lastly, as you said before, some schools focused on different things. As you said there were schools in all points in between the training spectrum of techniques. I was surprised to learn of striking in Jujutsu.
Ground grappling had to exist in some of the old arts some were, or it would not exist in any form today. The question is, how technical it was or wasn't back then. Apparently this aspect of fighting was very informal, and more of a after thought if it was even brought up at all. I also feel that we don't know as much about the warriors back then. I doubt they only studied a few arts. I feel that perhaps in there own they may have explored that aspect. Maybe not, but honestly we will probably never know the whole truth.
Thinking of my own past experiences, I have been in 2 real fights. In both cases, the altercation went to the ground, were I lost. Of course one anecdotal story does not prove anything. I just remember being totally lost in those situations and not liking it. Not knowing how to escape while that bullie had his way with me was not a good thing. While, as I stated in my fight response thread, I don't think I need to devote a massive amount of time, I just want to have some sort of a plan, or way to deal with being there should I end up there again. I feel it at least a little bit prudent to do so. My coach tells us, to avoid it all times, though he teaches us how to survive there, incase we do. Tho honestly our primary training goal is to get back to our feet, only fighting on the ground if last resort.
There is a Bujinkan budo taijitsu school in my area. Some of the arts that make it up, have a long line back including some samurai arts. Im hoping to drop by and ask him some questions as well. Maybe he can shed some light on it for me in some way.
Chris what happens if you get into a altercation in real life and end up getting knocked or pulled to the ground, does your art prepare you to deal with that? If so, what is your arts plan? Im honestly curious, I would love to know what other arts take on this is.
Ground grappling had to exist in some of the old arts some were, or it would not exist in any form today. The question is, how technical it was or wasn't back then. Apparently this aspect of fighting was very informal, and more of a after thought if it was even brought up at all. I also feel that we don't know as much about the warriors back then. I doubt they only studied a few arts. I feel that perhaps in there own they may have explored that aspect. Maybe not, but honestly we will probably never know the whole truth.
Thinking of my own past experiences, I have been in 2 real fights. In both cases, the altercation went to the ground, were I lost. Of course one anecdotal story does not prove anything. I just remember being totally lost in those situations and not liking it. Not knowing how to escape while that bullie had his way with me was not a good thing. While, as I stated in my fight response thread, I don't think I need to devote a massive amount of time, I just want to have some sort of a plan, or way to deal with being there should I end up there again. I feel it at least a little bit prudent to do so. My coach tells us, to avoid it all times, though he teaches us how to survive there, incase we do. Tho honestly our primary training goal is to get back to our feet, only fighting on the ground if last resort.
There is a Bujinkan budo taijitsu school in my area. Some of the arts that make it up, have a long line back including some samurai arts. Im hoping to drop by and ask him some questions as well. Maybe he can shed some light on it for me in some way.
Chris what happens if you get into a altercation in real life and end up getting knocked or pulled to the ground, does your art prepare you to deal with that? If so, what is your arts plan? Im honestly curious, I would love to know what other arts take on this is.