Is the Bible 100% truth?

[RTKDCMB]

If the Bible is 100% true, aliens are going to Hell. Right?

Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

Ken Ham doesn't want aliens to be found because if and when they are the whole world will know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is wrong about everything.

 

[Cirdan]

Bah christianity stole hel(l) from Nordic Mythology. Truth is Odin and his brothers killed the giant Yme and created the world from his dead body, from his blood the ocean, from his bones the hills, from his hair the trees, from his brains the clouds, from his skull the heavens, and from his eyebrows the nothern lights. 100% fact. Then they created Valkyries and had a party.

 

[elder999]

If the Bible is 100% true, aliens are going to Hell. Right?

Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

Hey, now-we ALL might just be surprised if we do find an alien civilization-maybe they had Jesus, too?

 

[elder999]

Bah christianity stole hel(l) from Nordic Mythology. Truth is Odin and his brothers killed the giant Yme and created the world from his dead body, from his blood the ocean, from his bones the hills, from his hair the trees, from his brains the clouds, from his skull the heavens, and from his eyebrows the nothern lights. 100% fact. Then they created Valkyries and had a party.

The Christian idea of "hell" ctually is a conflation of Nordic and Roman/Greek traditions with Hebraic ones.....

 

[Cirdan]

Hey, now-we ALL might just be surprised if we do find an alien civilization-maybe they had Jesus, too?

That dress wearing desert hippie is highly overrated. Allfather Odin on the other hand..

 

[ballen0351]

It's kind of funny a few months ago I posted a topic about the NSA would not listen in on mosques phone calls but would other Americans and I got an warning for being disrespectful towards muslims but this thread is full of disrespectful and ignorant comments about Christians and it funny right? That's pretty interesting come Aug 1 other "controversial" sections of this forum will be removed I wonder if this gets to stay

 

[Cirdan]

Negative rep? Oh Thor willeth smitethet thee with lightning for this disrespect.

 

[crushing]

It's kind of funny a few months ago I posted a topic about the NSA would not listen in on mosques phone calls but would other Americans and I got an warning for being disrespectful towards muslims but this thread is full of disrespectful and ignorant comments about Christians and it funny right? That's pretty interesting come Aug 1 other "controversial" sections of this forum will be removed I wonder if this gets to stay

Which comments do you find disrespectful and ignorant? Please join in and counter the ignorance rather than wage some vague generalizations of persecution.

 

[ballen0351]

Which comments do you find disrespectful and ignorant? Please join in and counter the ignorance rather than wage some vague generalizations of persecution.

Calling Jesus a dress wearing over rated hippy, Putting up a photo of Jesus as an alien and that just this page. I wonder how understanding people would be if we did that when talking about other religions? Not very I assume since if you did the same thing about Muhammad in say Egypt you would be killed. Id rather not "Join in" Im just wondering if this stuff gets to stay after Aug 1st?

 

[crushing]

Calling Jesus a dress wearing over rated hippy, Putting up a photo of Jesus as an alien and that just this page. I wonder how understanding people would be if we did that when talking about other religions? Not very I assume since if you did the same thing about Muhammad in say Egypt you would be killed. Id rather not "Join in" Im just wondering if this stuff gets to stay after Aug 1st?

Not sure what the lack of civil rights in Egypt have to do with this discussion. Anyway, this thread isn't about other religions, it's specifically about the rationalizing the Bible as truth. If you are so compelled to find out, you may start another poll/thread asking the same of another religion's holy text. I think it's a good question for you to follow up on, that is, if you are genuinely interested.

Cheers

 

[Touch Of Death]

Calling Jesus a dress wearing over rated hippy, Putting up a photo of Jesus as an alien and that just this page. I wonder how understanding people would be if we did that when talking about other religions? Not very I assume since if you did the same thing about Muhammad in say Egypt you would be killed. Id rather not "Join in" Im just wondering if this stuff gets to stay after Aug 1st?

The answer is, yes.

 

[ballen0351]

Not sure what the lack of civil rights in Egypt have to do with this discussion. Anyway, this thread isn't about other religions, it's specifically about the rationalizing the Bible as truth. If you are so compelled to find out, you may start another poll/thread asking the same of another religion's holy text. I think it's a good question for you to follow up on, that is, if you are genuinely interested.

Cheers

I think people should be more respectful but I know that wont happen so whatever floats your boat

 

[Touch Of Death]

Hey, now-we ALL might just be surprised if we do find an alien civilization-maybe they had Jesus, too?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUZE_AYUPmk&feature=share Now, lets pretend that there were no aliens, and all this was explained, plain as day, in the Bible.

 

[crushing]

I think people should be more respectful but I know that wont happen so whatever floats your boat

I've noticed that you have become more respectful in the last couple weeks. You've really toned down the insults and personal attacks. I appreciate that. Maybe others you consider disrespectful will also come around to your view of respect.

 

[ballen0351]

I've noticed that you have become more respectful in the last couple weeks. You've really toned down the insults and personal attacks. I appreciate that. Maybe others you consider disrespectful will also come around to your view of respect.

So your saying you can't have a discussion about the bible without calling Jesus a dress wearing hippy alien?

 

[crushing]

So your saying you can't have a discussion about the bible without calling Jesus a dress wearing hippy alien?

Yep. That's exactly what I said. You pretty much quoted me verbatim.

:idunno:

 

[ballen0351]

Yep. That's exactly what I said. You pretty much quoted me verbatim.

:idunno:

I didnt say thats what you said I asked a question. See the ? at the end. However you don't seem to think having an adult conversation with out name calling and making jokes about ones faith is possible. In fact you deny it even happens. Saying I was making vague reference to persecution. You had no issue with what they say or do you?

 

[oftheherd1]

Originally Posted by oftheherd1 Readings that I have done indicate that all members of the different committees were Biblical (Koine) Greek scholars. Then before the final check by committee leaders, experts from outside the committees were invited to check the translation. And there were certainly more than just three on the 2nd Oxford committee.

And yet, it is as I said-the Second Oxford company had three "Greek scholars," all laymen-academics-and none with more than rudimentary knowledge of Koine Greek-their lessons, examinations and dissertations were in Homeric Greek.

Well, as I said, the readings I have done indicate otherwise. For anyone interested, Gipp’s Understandable History of the Bible has a section giving the identities of those who worked on the committees, and their qualifications.

Originally Posted by oftheherd1
Perhaps you could tell all of us what this verse from Stephanus means: περι δε την εννατην ωραν ανεβοησεν ο ιησους φωνη μεγαλη λεγων ηλι ηλια σαβαχθαν λαμι τουτ εστιν θεε μου θεε μου ινατι με εγκατελιπες

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Around the ninth hour (three o'clock) Jesus called out (loud?), " Eli, Eli, Lama sabachthani-Which (that) means , "My God, My God, why did (have) you leave (left)[ me?"

Interstingly, the transliteration of the verb form, of the past-plu perfect, to have, lama, λαμα , should actually phonetically be more like "lema, " λεμα, and "forsaken" is also all wrong-part of an attempt to tie it to Psalm 20, and thus to prophecy-not only a mistranslation and transliteration, but a bit of possible deliberate revisionism-Left, of course, is completely wrong, though it does get wrangled about in the rather long-winded and ridiculous contortions about God's grace departing because Jesus had to go to hell.......

Now, do you really want to do this dance with me, or try accepting that I at least know what I say I know: I'm the victim, after all, of a classical education-I had to take Homeric Greek and Latin in high school, and I have a facility for languages-I didearn a degree in religious studies. I did drop out of seminary (and M.I.T., later, but what the hell )-and, even if those things weren't true, I can use an online Greek concordance as well as you have......probably better...

That is interesting. You at first appear to have cut and pasted my question on a verse from Stephanus (nothing from Wescort and Hort, but that is OK). But in fact, it is not a cut and paste from either my Stephanus’ or Wescort and Hort’s verses.

My post above of Staphanus on the first line, and what you listed as a quote of what I said on the next line:

Perhaps you could tell all of us what this verse from Stephanus means: περι δε την εννατην ωραν ανεβοησεν ο ιησους φωνη μεγαλη λεγων ηλι ηλι λαμα σαβαχθανι τουτ εστιν θεε μου θεε μου ινατι με εγκατελιπες
Perhaps you could tell all of us what this verse from Stephanus means: περι δε την εννατην ωραν ανεβοησεν ο ιησους φωνη μεγαλη λεγων ηλι ηλια σαβαχθαν λαμι τουτ εστιν θεε μου θεε μου ινατι με εγκατελιπες

Fonts aside, the words in Greek are different. Did you substitute Greek words to match your desired translation? Or maybe the Greek you used is Homeric?

It seems unusual that you have translated εγκατελιπες as simply ‘left’. Strong translates the word as forsaken, so does Wycliffe (who translated word for word from the Catholic Latin Vulgate). Tyndale, Matthews and Coverdale used the word “forsaken” also.

I have never questioned your education. I do sometimes question your understanding or interpretation of things I or others discuss. I think that is normal in many sub-forums here. I think you, just as am I or others, are capable of making mistakes. That’s where friendly people like you and me and others, can come in and offer differing views, with as much justification as we can. Or no justification at all.

As to using an online Greek concordance or Bible, I am sure you can do it as well as me, maybe even better. But why type out something and possibly introduce errors if it can be cut and pasted. Well, maybe cutting and pasting doesn’t always work either?

Originally Posted by oftheherd1 Jesus's own wedding? Wow. I don't know how you come to that conclusion. I have never heard anyone say that before, nor have my readings of the Bible suggested any such thing. In John chapter 2, there is mention of Jesus being called to the wedding, not celebrating His own wedding. There is also a bridegroom mentioned, but not identified as Jesus. Not to mention the fact that there is never any mention in the Bible of Jesus having a wife; it would not be consistent with His nature, being God as well as man.

Interestingly, we now come to Hebrew...throughout all translations, Jesus is referred to as "Master," or rabbi.] "Rabbi" is title reserved for married men, There is no mention of Jesus's beard, sword, or tools anywhere in the Bible, yet these are all things he surely had. As for the nature of God-well, I wouldn't even begin to speculate on the nature of the unknowable here, but Jesus was also a man, and men have wives-in the culture of that time, no one would have taken him at all seriously or called him "Rabbi" if he were not married....there is a bridegroom mentioned, but not identified at all..

I think you are not taking into account that while most who were a rabbi by inheritance may have done as you describe, none of them were Jesus, who was God. It may have been respectful honor, but perhaps not, even though Jesus wasn’t of the lineage of Aaron, he is called a priest, so could be called rabbi. I never personally heard a rabbi had to be married. But certainly Jesus did not need to, and was never married.

As for the wedding at Cana, it's purely speculation,but, if one pays attention, Jesus's Mother (never identified by name in your version of John) is acting more like the mother of the groom-and hostess-than a simple guest when she tells her son they need more wine.

I agree that it is speculation. I don’t know what version of John you prefer, but the KJV identifies Mary as the Mother of Jesus in other places. I don’t think John ever identifies her by name, not just not in this story. Even so, for so important an occasion as a marriage of Jesus, I am sure there would have been much more written, and more specifics. Do you have a version of John that does that?

As to Mary acting more like a mother of the groom, and a hostess, I don’t see that myself. But granted, I haven’t attended a modern Jewish wedding, much less one from the time of Jesus. However, as Jesus is quoted as saying, His time hadn’t come, and that is normally credited as His first miracle, so I would not think anyone else would know what he was capable of, nor feel confident to ask Him to perform a miracle, other than His mother.

Now, it's bed for me,: 115 degrees or so tomorrow, and I have to be at work by 0530......and arguing about this is pretty boring after eight years-keep your book, and your faith, and get whatever you can from them: believe it to be the undisputed, divinely inspired, one true Bible all you like.

It's not, though. Not even close.

I don’t find it boring, but indeed it seems to me to be wearying. I do hope you stayed cool in that high a heat. At least it will be cooler than how we think of Hell. I guess your boredom is what keeps you from answering the other things I mentioned.

I will keep my faith and belief in my King James Bible thank you. I do believe it to be divinely inspired and preserved in English.

Because it is. Not close, but the real preserved words of God.

(I mean, honestly?? "it would not be consistent with His nature, being God as well as man???" Talk about a blind man, grasping the tail of an elephant, and telling me that it's nature is that of a snake...... )
Last edited by elder999; Today at 12:19 AM.

I don’t see the validity of your analogy. Are you trying to equate the nature of God with that of a snake in any way? Nonetheless, I don’t make any claim to know the entire nature of God … except those parts of His nature He reveals in His word. Do you think you see anything in the revealed divine nature of God that would require Jesus to take a wife?

To me it seems you only want to say anything that you think will discredit God and/or Christianity, or a belief in God and/or Christianity. From my perspective, you say some pretty outlandish things, and often with no apparent purpose other than to create controversy. I believe you when you say your father and grandfather were priests, and I am sure they were fine and honorable men. I also believe you had training to be a priest, a career path you apparently really didn't want. However, you seem to have left that career path with much bitterness against God and Christianity. To me that is sad. It may explain your attacks on God and the Bible.

But, to each his own. I believe we can make choices as to what our actions are, and there will come a time when we will account for all our actions.

You or anyone else may believe and act as you may wish.

 

[crushing]

I didnt say thats what you said I asked a question. See the ? at the end.

I saw the question mark, and it was as nonsensical as a question as it would be a statement.

However you don't seem to think having an adult conversation with out name calling and making jokes about ones faith is possible.

False. I think we can have such a conversation.

In fact you deny it even happens. Saying I was making vague reference to persecution.

I deny that having an adult conversation happens?

You had no issue with what they say or do you?

Not really. The alien Jesus was fitting as a response to conspiracy theorist/charlatan Ken Ham's comments about aliens going to Hell. I thought the comparative Odin v. Jesus image was somewhat humorous, but wasn't at all nasty. I suppose if you don't like hippies or dresses, than one could consider that comment insulting.

 

[ballen0351]

I saw the question mark, and it was as nonsensical as a question as it would be a statement.



False. I think we can have such a conversation.



I deny that having an adult conversation happens?



Not really. The alien Jesus was fitting as a response to conspiracy theorist/charlatan Ken Ham's comments about aliens going to Hell. I thought the comparative Odin v. Jesus image was somewhat humorous, but wasn't at all nasty. I suppose if you don't like hippies or dresses, than one could consider that comment insulting.

Ok. That's about what I expected from you anyway.