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I found the perfect arts that go well together and work really well for me. Here they are Judo Jujutsu JKD Muay Thai kickboxing. These martial arts really work well together cross training rules!
So is the answer to be watered down at 4 instead of solid at one?
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Here is the thing i learn Judo/Jujutsu at one Dojo and at the second i learn Muay Thai and JKD. But they all seem easy to learn together and have alot of the same basic conseps. The arts dont get in each others way. Infact i dont water down any of the arts by learning the other, THey all seem to expand on each other making them a strong conbative art together, I believe that i will be ready for any kind of fight now because of these 4 arts.
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So the only reason you do the martial arts is to learn how to fight? If this is so, you are missing out what the martial arts are all about. In your other posts, you stated that you wanted to be a NHB fighter which is cool and you have my respect for that . But what if those plans don't go the way you want them to? You need more education besides the martial arts. You are still young so you still need to focus on your schooling rather then going to two martial arts classes. Get a good foundation in one art before picking up another one. If you want experience in grappling, you can always join the wrestling team. You may even go farther in that then NHB fighting. At the very least, you or your parents won't have to pay for a second martial arts class
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Originally posted by Judo-kid
I found the perfect arts that go well together and work really well for me. Here they are Judo Jujutsu JKD Muay Thai kickboxing. These martial arts really work well together cross training rules!
Hey Judo-Kid, good luck on your training. Tell me, do you learn or do they teach any Filipino Kali concepts in your JKD class? I know the FMA 's concepts are popular with some of the JKD folks.
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Yeah they do teach kali. O and to respawn to kenpo wolf i put my school work first.
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I also give you my blessings in your training.
But, you can't expect to master all four arts as it's almost impossible to even master one art. That is what Jay Bell's talking about I think.
The only way you can successfully learn all four without ANY confusion would be to not look at arts AND/OR get watered-down versions of each. You would get SO much more out of one art if you dedicated most your time to it, and you will soon learn its effectiveness.
But, you can't expect to master all four arts as it's almost impossible to even master one art. That is what Jay Bell's talking about I think.
The only way you can successfully learn all four without ANY confusion would be to not look at arts AND/OR get watered-down versions of each. You would get SO much more out of one art if you dedicated most your time to it, and you will soon learn its effectiveness.
I'm glad you've found some arts that seem to work well together. That's always a very good thing when looking at cross-training.
Unfortunately, this is a fantasy approach. There's always something unseen and unprepared for in combat. That's how the reality of it all works.
That's exactly what I meant, Martialartist
Unfortunately, this is a fantasy approach. There's always something unseen and unprepared for in combat. That's how the reality of it all works.
That's exactly what I meant, Martialartist
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Judo-kid,
Good luck in your training. I think in cross-training it is always a balance between time, money, and ability to pick up things. If you are improving, then go for it. However, monitor that you are not overextending yourself.
My cross-training has been a product of moving from city to city because of my education or work. For example, I first started cross-training in Tae Kwon Do and Kali because while at school, I did TKD, then Kali when I went home for the summer. I found a Kali teacher where I had school and did both TKD and Kali.
Since moving for work and grad school, I found myself just training informally with some Filipino friends at school and doing occasional visits to my other instructors.
Currently, I am training with a JKD instructor who incorporates Jun Fan, Muay Thai, Kali, and grappling, among other things, so I'm getting my cross-training in one class. I occasionally see my other instructors and a couple other "specialists" to supplement my training, but I am concentrating my efforts under one instructor.
I think each person is different. As long as you are enjoying yourself and have the time, money, and desire, this might work for you on some level. But you have to be honest with yourself too. As others have said, its' tough to master 4 arts, let alone one.
Enjoyment is the key word, too. Some people train in one art their whole lives and are perfectly happy and fulfilled doing that (and can defend themselves to some degree as well).
In any case, I'm babbling.
Good training to all,
Bryan
Good luck in your training. I think in cross-training it is always a balance between time, money, and ability to pick up things. If you are improving, then go for it. However, monitor that you are not overextending yourself.
My cross-training has been a product of moving from city to city because of my education or work. For example, I first started cross-training in Tae Kwon Do and Kali because while at school, I did TKD, then Kali when I went home for the summer. I found a Kali teacher where I had school and did both TKD and Kali.
Since moving for work and grad school, I found myself just training informally with some Filipino friends at school and doing occasional visits to my other instructors.
Currently, I am training with a JKD instructor who incorporates Jun Fan, Muay Thai, Kali, and grappling, among other things, so I'm getting my cross-training in one class. I occasionally see my other instructors and a couple other "specialists" to supplement my training, but I am concentrating my efforts under one instructor.
I think each person is different. As long as you are enjoying yourself and have the time, money, and desire, this might work for you on some level. But you have to be honest with yourself too. As others have said, its' tough to master 4 arts, let alone one.
Enjoyment is the key word, too. Some people train in one art their whole lives and are perfectly happy and fulfilled doing that (and can defend themselves to some degree as well).
In any case, I'm babbling.
Good training to all,
Bryan
I have to agree with some of the posts here, I believe it would benifit you better to focus on one art for a while. You are still young and getting any art to be instinct needs serious concentration and intensive training. I think you would benefit from focusing on one art, and learning its techniques to a point, then focusing on the other art.
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I would agree that just going to one dojo would probably be more beneficial to you at this point. Get a good foundation in one art (at least brown/red belt level) before you consider cross-training. There's no point to being a "jack of all trades, master of none"
to give a slightly off topic example: I have perfect pitch. I love music and musical instruments. I can play the piano, harpsichord, violin, harp, harmonica, guitar, recorder, and djembe (african drum). Pretty much any instrument I come into contact with, I can coax a tune out of. However, there's no way I could sit down and play a sonata on any of them. I've got the basics in many different instruments, but I don't have the advanced concepts in any. I didn't really start getting somewhere with music until I picked one thing to concentrate on, voice, and then was able to use my instrumental skills to compliment my main art (singing).
the same goes for martial arts. if you work on trying to master everything at once, you end up with a lot of different basics, but since you're trying to learn four different things, it takes you much longer to get to a mastery level. Pick one art, stick to it, and once you've sufficiently advanced, then cross train to augment what you already have.
I hope that makes sense... not awake yet.
to give a slightly off topic example: I have perfect pitch. I love music and musical instruments. I can play the piano, harpsichord, violin, harp, harmonica, guitar, recorder, and djembe (african drum). Pretty much any instrument I come into contact with, I can coax a tune out of. However, there's no way I could sit down and play a sonata on any of them. I've got the basics in many different instruments, but I don't have the advanced concepts in any. I didn't really start getting somewhere with music until I picked one thing to concentrate on, voice, and then was able to use my instrumental skills to compliment my main art (singing).
the same goes for martial arts. if you work on trying to master everything at once, you end up with a lot of different basics, but since you're trying to learn four different things, it takes you much longer to get to a mastery level. Pick one art, stick to it, and once you've sufficiently advanced, then cross train to augment what you already have.
I hope that makes sense... not awake yet.
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Speaking of learning different basics, I think that is another important thing to think about. If you do choose to continue trying to cross-train at the same time, it might be possible with some of your choices. For example, the judo and the jiu jitsu might work well together, but if they overlap too much, you might wonder if you should be just concentrating on one. For example, I find alot of the JKD stuff I do mixes well with the previous Kali experience, but not as much with the base structure of TKD.
In any case, I would still consider limiting your study to less (I won't say one art, because it sounds like you are enjoying these alot and probably want to continue in some). Maybe pick the top two you are enjoying and then when you reach a high level there, try others.
Are you studying with several different teachers for these? That's another thing. As I mentioned before, my current teacher utilizes groundfighting, stand-up, and weaponry using JKD as a core philosophy. However, if you are seeing different instructors for JKD, judo, etc. it not only can be alot to learn, but also cost alot!
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Well, Judo is a watered down martial art, and the same could be said for Mauy Thai. This is probably why you get more from training the two.
Don't get mad at me for saying they are watered down, because watered down is the same as specialised in the context of these particular arts.
I do Judo because when I return to Kung-Fu (probably 5 Ancestors) I want to understand balance and throwing better, techniques it is hard to practice while learning Kung-Fu.
I'd say find out about as many arts as you can at first. This will help you find out what you want your base art to be. Then train hard in your base art while perhaps supplementing it with one or two other styles, to give you a perspective.
Don't get mad at me for saying they are watered down, because watered down is the same as specialised in the context of these particular arts.
I do Judo because when I return to Kung-Fu (probably 5 Ancestors) I want to understand balance and throwing better, techniques it is hard to practice while learning Kung-Fu.
I'd say find out about as many arts as you can at first. This will help you find out what you want your base art to be. Then train hard in your base art while perhaps supplementing it with one or two other styles, to give you a perspective.
exactly.
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KALI RULES!!!!!.........................:shrug:
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Bod, how is Muay Thai watered down?
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Master of Blades
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I think what everyone has been trying to put across for a while now is that, although cross training can be pretty good and make you a well rounded fighter, that sticking to one MA and becoming fantastic at that is probably a better idea. My best advice is probably to do JKD (The Inosanto version) because that teaches simple effective grappling as well as kicks and weapons aspects and so on. Your basically cross training but there is NO chance of any of them getting mixed up because there all taught in one art. Thats my two cents anyway.......
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I think what he meant was that Muay Thai specializes in stand up. I think (or hope) that he wasn't talking about it's effectiveness, but maybe we should wait to hear his response.
