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I'm not familiar with Mun Mu Kwan. What is its origin? Is it one of the Kwans that was an offshoot of the "original" 5 (9 later on)?
 

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I'm not familiar with Mun Mu Kwan. What is its origin? Is it one of the Kwans that was an offshoot of the "original" 5 (9 later on)?
Good question. And not easily answered.
I did a bit of searching. Looks like Mun Moo Kwan was founded in 1969. As near as I can tell, it's in PA, with only a couple of affiliate schools. There is apparently one in Colorado, but I cannot find any info on it, other than a google result that claims it's in Littleton. So I am guessing the Kwan is fairly small. I can find no real info on the founder or current instructors. The only organization mentioned on the PA website is Kukkiwon, so I presume they award KKW rank. But that site also indicates that they use the Chang Hon forms. So if they're awarding KKW rank, they're apparently doing so without actually teaching the KKW curriculum.
 

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Good question. And not easily answered.
I did a bit of searching. Looks like Mun Moo Kwan was founded in 1969. As near as I can tell, it's in PA, with only a couple of affiliate schools. There is apparently one in Colorado, but I cannot find any info on it, other than a google result that claims it's in Littleton. So I am guessing the Kwan is fairly small. I can find no real info on the founder or current instructors. The only organization mentioned on the PA website is Kukkiwon, so I presume they award KKW rank. But that site also indicates that they use the Chang Hon forms. So if they're awarding KKW rank, they're apparently doing so without actually teaching the KKW curriculum.
Which in turn limits the KKW advancement to 3rd or 4th Dan. Assuming the Instructor himself has not pursued higher rank and now the Master courses.
 

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Which in turn limits the KKW advancement to 3rd or 4th Dan. Assuming the Instructor himself has not pursued higher rank and now the Master courses.
Seems odd that a person could get to even 1st Dan without knowing the KKW curriculum.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Kukkiwon rules allow promotion to one rank below the recommending instructor, with the exception of 8th and 9th Dan, which must be tested at the Kukkiwon. So depending on the KKW rank of the instructor, they could potentially be promoting up to 7th Dan.
And of course, none of that impacts rank awarded by their Kwan.
 

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Seems odd that a person could get to even 1st Dan without knowing the KKW curriculum.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Kukkiwon rules allow promotion to one rank below the recommending instructor, with the exception of 8th and 9th Dan, which must be tested at the Kukkiwon. So depending on the KKW rank of the instructor, they could potentially be promoting up to 7th Dan.
And of course, none of that impacts rank awarded by their Kwan.
For the most part but it is supposed to be changing. 4th Dan and above plus the instructor will have to go through the Master class.
It is my understanding that a lot of grandfathering is going on for instructors who have been teaching for a while.
 
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