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Double standard

Why is it that Mel Gibson is ripped by the media for anti-Semitic statements, and Oliver Stone isn’t?

By Jeff Jacoby, Boston Globe EXCERPT: August 4, 2010
LATE IN July, a Hollywood honcho uncorks a blast of anti-Semitic bile, the sort of malignant stereotype about Jews one might expect from David Duke or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Is that newsworthy?
It certainly was in 2006, when Mel Gibson, arrested in Malibu for drunken driving, demanded to know whether the arresting deputy was Jewish, and then launched into an anti-Semitic rant: “[Expletive] Jews,’’ he raged. “The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world.’’
What followed was a Category 4 media hurricane.
<<<SNIP>>>
Pervading much of the media’s coverage and commentary was a tone of unforgiving revulsion.
“Let’s not cut Mel Gibson even the tiniest bit of slack,’’ began Eugene Robinson’s op-ed column in The Washington Post. Talent agent Ari Emanuel’s call for Gibson to be blacklisted was widely noted: “People in the entertainment business, whether Jew or gentile, need to demonstrate that they understand how much is at stake in this by professionally shunning Mel Gibson and refusing to work with him,’’ Emanuel wrote in an open letter on the Huffington Post.
On “The View,’’ Barbara Walters announced that she wouldn’t see any more of Gibson’s movies. Slate explained “How To Boycott Mel Gibson.’’ CNN’s Brooke Anderson, co-host of “Showbiz Tonight,’’ described “a sudden explosion of outrage with some of the most influential people in Hollywood now saying they will never work with Mel Gibson again.’’ As if to confirm the point, ABC cancelled a Holocaust-themed mini-series it had been developing with Gibson.
But when, almost exactly four years later, another Hollywood bigfoot uttered an anti-Semitic rant, the reaction couldn’t have been more different.
In a July 25 interview with the Times of London, filmmaker Oliver Stone complained that “Jewish domination of the media’’ focuses too much attention on the Holocaust, and prevents Americans from understanding Hitler (and Stalin) “in context’’ — a wrong he intends to right in a documentary he is making for Showtime. Stone described these media-controlling Jews as “the most powerful lobby in Washington’’ — “hard workers’’ who “stay on top of every comment,’’ and are responsible for the fact that “Israel has [expletive]-up United States foreign policy for years.’’
Like Gibson blaming Jews for the planet’s wars, Stone’s lament about Jewish control of the media is classic anti-Semitism, straight out of “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’’ and Henry Ford’s “The International Jew.’’ Unlike Gibson, however, Stone gave vent to his bigotry while perfectly sober.
<<<SNIP>>>Media mogul Haim Saban did urge Showtime to cancel Stone’s documentary, and posted an online message calling on Hollywood to give Stone “a vigorous shove into the land of forced retirement.’’ But few if any media voices seconded the motion — not a word from Slate, for example — and some went out of their way to pooh-pooh it: Los Angeles Times blogger Patrick Goldstein pronounced the idea “not so different’’ from “the infamous 1950s Hollywood blacklist.’’
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People (media) are far more willing to overlook indiscretions from those of their own political leanings.
 

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Because the MSM loves Stone. AFAIK, Stone is the typical Holywood type. He's got some talent, did a couple of good movies and is now using his fame to push a political agenda. You're an f'ing Holuwood type, we pay you to be entertained. We don't really care what you have to say.

His 'documentary' is not being well accepted in the Jewish community.
 

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Antisemitism, particularly accusations that Jewish people control the media, cuts across many political lines. Mel Gibson is just the latest.

A partial list of people whom I believe who have stated that "Jews control the media:"

President Nixon.
Reverend Billy Graham.
Reverend Jesse Jackson.
Minister Louis Farrakhan.
Charles Lindbergh.
Joseph Kennedy.
Oliver Stone.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenie.
Cindy Sheehan.
Pat Buchanan.

So I see these kinds of beliefs on the left and the right in the USA.

However, this is interesting:

http://www.jewishresearch.org/PDFs/A_S_Report_web.pdf

Some interesting summary findings of the study linked to above:

Younger Americans more anti-Semitic
A younger generation of Americans, those
under thirty-five years of age, holds more
anti-Semitic beliefs than the previous generation.

Belief that Jews control the media and have too
much influence on Wall Street
Nearly one quarter of the public (24%) believe
that Jewish control of the news media
explains why “we don’t get the whole truth in
some stories.”
This conspiracy suspicion is
accompanied by the belief held by 34% of
Americans who think “Jews have too much
influence on Wall Street,” and another 16%
who do not know or give some other answer.
Democrats tend to be more anti-Semitic than
Republicans
On nearly all variables, Democrats held more
anti-Semitic beliefs than Republicans, reversing
a historical trend.

Jews as moral threat to America
About 21% of Americans regard Jews as a
threat to the moral character of the United
States. Most see Jews as a small, rather than a
large, threat. Jews are about as likely to be
viewed as a threat as those of Mexican background,
the other group least likely to be perceived
as posing a threat to the U.S., and far
less a threat than atheists and Muslims.

Many millions of Americans have
anti-Semitic beliefs
The numbers of Americans holding anti-
Semitic beliefs can be translated from percentages
to actual numbers of people holding such
beliefs. About 36 million Americans believe
that Jews care only about themselves, 48 million
Americans believe that Jews control the
media
, and 58 million people believe that Jews
have too much influence on Wall Street. About
6 million Americans believe the Holocaust did
not occur, and another 8 million are not sure
or don’t know that the Holocaust happened.
About 65 million Americans believe that Jews
killed Jesus Christ. Thirty-eight million
Americans hold at least three anti-Semitic
stereotypes.
 

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All the people that got all worked up over Gibson don't have it in them just yet to lamblast another person. They need a couple more years for the Gibson hype to die down so they sound more relevant. Stone gets a pass this time. Chalk it up to desensitization.
 

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Anti-semitic rants are not going to win anyone friends in Hollywood.

In fact I find it a bit puzzling that Stone says the media is dominated by Jews , then this opinion piece accuses self-same media (supposedly dominated by Jews) into giving Stone a pass for anti-semitism.

So left leaning liberal Jews forgive anti-semitism because Stone is left leaning?
 

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It's not the antisemeitic comments that are keeping Gibson in the news. It's the lunacy and continuing pattern of aggressive and unpredictable behavior. Unfortunately, racism and bigotry are common enough now that it just isn't newsworthy without some kind of sensational angle.

That said, I've read about stone's ongoing issues, so it must be in ye media somewhere.
 

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It's not the antisemeitic comments that are keeping Gibson in the news. It's the lunacy and continuing pattern of aggressive and unpredictable behavior. Unfortunately, racism and bigotry are common enough now that it just isn't newsworthy without some kind of sensational angle.

That said, I've read about stone's ongoing issues, so it must be in ye media somewhere.


Points taken, maybe if Stone was ranting while DUI and confronting cops and beating his wife/girlfriend , demanding blow jobs and threatening to burn down the house his child is in if he doesn't get one....he might be in the news as much as Gibson...just maybe
 
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As was stated in the OP, the big difference between their statements was that Mel was intoxicated while railing against the Jews, Oliver, on the other hand was stone sober. Most people say stupid things when drunk, God help us if every stupid thing said under the influence of alcohol were held against us... Sober, that is, as it should be, a different story.
 

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As was stated in the OP, the big difference between their statements was that Mel was intoxicated while railing against the Jews, Oliver, on the other hand was stone sober. Most people say stupid things when drunk, God help us if every stupid thing said under the influence of alcohol were held against us... Sober, that is, as it should be, a different story.
You're excusing Gibson because he was drunk? As the old saying goes, "The Drunk Man says what the Sober Man thinks."
 

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You're excusing Gibson because he was drunk? As the old saying goes, "The Drunk Man says what the Sober Man thinks."

yep, vino veritas, what difference does it make if he was drunk, it is still opinions he obviously holds.
 

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Because Mel Gibson is Australian?

Or maybe because one was a racist drunken rant and the other a more considered opinion over precisely what influence a hideous passage of events for one group during the Second World War has coloured and skewed the presentation of that period ever since?

I shall have to read the source more carefully before I finally decide, of course. But one event seems to me to be clear racism induced by the simplicity that alcohol induces. Whereas the other is not anti-semitism but a question as to the impact of Holocaust Guilt on the media (fictional and otherwise) and how that translates through to international relations.
 

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yep, vino veritas, what difference does it make if he was drunk, it is still opinions he obviously holds.

In defence of the Anglo-phobic-semi-Ozzy, I don't think that is necessarily true. I know I have said things whilst drunk that I do not really believe. Inebriated synapses free-form-fabricate somewhat akin to jazz and all kinds of nonsense can come out that is not really 'true' even in the mind of the sozzled person.
 
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You're excusing Gibson because he was drunk? As the old saying goes, "The Drunk Man says what the Sober Man thinks."
In vino veritas is even older, however, imagine where you'd be if you did sober everything you said you'd do drunk...
 

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