Ok theres a set in wing chun for blue sash syllabus where you have to perform a double roundhouse kick one to the legs and one to the upper body, now i don't like it when some people say that wing chun doesnt need much flexibility because the kicks are low usually but this kick requires the upmost flexibility, i can do a single roundhouse kick to the shoulder easily (well not at the moment because my knees playing up) any ideas on how i should train for this kick?
Double roundhouse kick
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To train for a good high kick you should train stretching first. Teakwondo has some good stretching exercises which take up to 40mins to complete but you'll see the results in a month or two. It would be realy hard for me to explain all the stretching methods but I'm sure you can find info about it on the internet. Then training your leg muscles so you can lift the leg that high up in the first place is important to. Holding up the leg in the position you want to train your muscles for as long as you can is a good method for that. Also you should do the kick as slow and as technicaly as you can so you get the motorics down, get better accuracy and train the muscles. When you have all of this under control you can start doing it fast but relaxed. Be sure to pivot on the finger tips and point you butt out while doing it! In the double roundhouse it's importan to note that the first one(to the knee) is more of a distraction so you startle the guy or make him lower his guard. The second one is the one you want to get in and it's preferably to the head if you can do it.
Hope that helps!
Hope that helps!
Doesn't sound like any kicking combination we do... but I suppose it might work well for a good kicker. IE not me. I find the standard WT leg work more than I can handle. But, each to their own.
What you need to do is break it down into a kick and a jump kick.
So...Throw tghe mid level roundhouse , rechamber but do not put your foot down. Now jump and throw the higher kick.
Repeat, decreasing the pause between kicks until they are fluid. IN the end you'll be jumping and throwing both kicks in succession.
make sure you turn your hips over on both kicks (otherwise you lose power and will ahve a hard time getting your legs around). Also, try using counter rotation with your upper body (moving the torso in the opposite direction of the kick) in bretween the kicks in order to speed up the rechamber and allow for a faster deployment of the second kick.
Peace,
Erik
So...Throw tghe mid level roundhouse , rechamber but do not put your foot down. Now jump and throw the higher kick.
Repeat, decreasing the pause between kicks until they are fluid. IN the end you'll be jumping and throwing both kicks in succession.
make sure you turn your hips over on both kicks (otherwise you lose power and will ahve a hard time getting your legs around). Also, try using counter rotation with your upper body (moving the torso in the opposite direction of the kick) in bretween the kicks in order to speed up the rechamber and allow for a faster deployment of the second kick.
Peace,
Erik
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What is Chang Chuan? I can't find any good info on it. I have to agree with bully on his statement tho; a kick like that doesn't sound WC. Doesn't mean you couldn't make it work for you. But to answer a statement from your original post: I would agree that a WC person wouldn't need much flexibility or strength to make it work for him/her.
Si-Je
Master Black Belt
You could try hooking the leg with the first kick to pull them closer to you, get and bring them down a bit, and then "roundhouse" the upper body. I'm not sure if you utilize hook kick in your lineage, but to re-chamber the kick after the first roundhouse kick to the leg would help you to get the height for a TKD style roundhouse kick to the midsection. But, it would be a different kind of energy in kicking. More of a snap.
Try "scooping" the standing leg with your low "roundhouse" kick at the back of the knee. Do this by hooking the back of the knee with your foot and ankle, then pull the opponent's leg towards you and up as you pivot with your hips on contact. All one movement. Once they move, you collapse their leg, then from that very position where your "hooking" the leg raise the same leg up for a rib shot for the second kick.
Our hook kick doesn't chamber or snap back like the roundhouse kick, you kick from where your foot is on the ground, come straight up (almost) and pivot your kicking sides hip into the kick. Like a "whip" from the ground. Relaxed. You can agument this hook kick to "scoop" up the opponent's standing leg too. Once you kick the side of the knee, make your foot scoop up the leg from the back of the knee.
I really need a video. I hope that gave you some ideas.
We usually hook kick and then heel kick or WC side kick another leg or midsection in kick combos. That one sounds like a hard one to do WC style of kicking.
You may ask your Sifu if you'd utilize more of a TKD style of kicking for that combo.
Try "scooping" the standing leg with your low "roundhouse" kick at the back of the knee. Do this by hooking the back of the knee with your foot and ankle, then pull the opponent's leg towards you and up as you pivot with your hips on contact. All one movement. Once they move, you collapse their leg, then from that very position where your "hooking" the leg raise the same leg up for a rib shot for the second kick.
Our hook kick doesn't chamber or snap back like the roundhouse kick, you kick from where your foot is on the ground, come straight up (almost) and pivot your kicking sides hip into the kick. Like a "whip" from the ground. Relaxed. You can agument this hook kick to "scoop" up the opponent's standing leg too. Once you kick the side of the knee, make your foot scoop up the leg from the back of the knee.
I really need a video. I hope that gave you some ideas.
We usually hook kick and then heel kick or WC side kick another leg or midsection in kick combos. That one sounds like a hard one to do WC style of kicking.
You may ask your Sifu if you'd utilize more of a TKD style of kicking for that combo.
redantstyle
Blue Belt
that's a floating roundhouse. it's basically a roundhouse to the head but you 'take the long way' by first striking the low body lightly with it and riding the bounce up the head. your just delaying the hip action and adding a little sweep kick to build up some extra momentum and add some deception to the kick.
it's a practical mawashi.
it's a practical mawashi.
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Yeah, I agree. I play arround with it alot when I'm sparring.
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
agreed
My brief time in Wing Chun I never saw kicks like those described but then there were no sashes (ranks) at the school I went to either and the sifu was a student of Ip Ching.
But I did see the kicks described in Changquan when I trained it.
Si-Je
Master Black Belt
There is a Sifu in Europe that does the high kicking from really up close to opponents, but I think most of that is for demos. He's the only guy I've seen on the web that does that type of kicking. Yet, it is WC style kicking, just head high, meaning he kicks from close quarters to the opponent, and well, I think his legs are just made of rubber. lol!
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Yoshiyahu
Master Black Belt
Interesting. WC Rarely kicks above the Waist and groin. When it does it usually a kick to abs or stomach or ribs. But not much higher than that.
WC you dont need flexibility,strenght, speed or power.
But developing all three will enhance your wing chun ten fold. A Strong Wing Chun guy can defeat a weak one any day. An The more flexibile you are the more power your low level kicks will have. Also if your classmates are flexible to throw high kicks to the head. You can practice Defense against high kicks. But if everyone is so tight and unflexible that they can barely lift their foot pass their thigh...Then you will lacking in defense with high kicks in my opinion. High Kicks are for demostrations and training. Low kicks are fighting in WC. Strecthing also aids with circulation of chi...it also makes you feel better...I am about do some strecthes now just talking about it makes me wanna strecth!
Chang Chuan or Chang Quan means "Long Fist"!
WC you dont need flexibility,strenght, speed or power.
But developing all three will enhance your wing chun ten fold. A Strong Wing Chun guy can defeat a weak one any day. An The more flexibile you are the more power your low level kicks will have. Also if your classmates are flexible to throw high kicks to the head. You can practice Defense against high kicks. But if everyone is so tight and unflexible that they can barely lift their foot pass their thigh...Then you will lacking in defense with high kicks in my opinion. High Kicks are for demostrations and training. Low kicks are fighting in WC. Strecthing also aids with circulation of chi...it also makes you feel better...I am about do some strecthes now just talking about it makes me wanna strecth!
Chang Chuan or Chang Quan means "Long Fist"!
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Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
Unless this is a unique variation, it does not sound anything like any of the three forms typically found in wing chun.
Is it a separate drill set, and not one of the primary forms? Is it a form adopted from elsewhere?
What do you guys call it?
Yoshiyahu
Master Black Belt
redantstyle
Blue Belt
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Yoshiyahu
Master Black Belt
I'd have to agree that this doesn't sound like WT/WC kicking, but that's not what you asked, you wanted advice for flexibility, so here'e my two cents worth.
Most people train for flexibility by doing static stretching, ie. trying to touch their chest to their leg while sitting on the floor, or any type of variation of that. The problem with that type of stretching is it doen't mimic the movement that you are stretching for, namely kicking.
To remedy this you should practice dynamic stretching.
first exercise: swing straight leg to the front as high as you can. Hold your outstretched arms out in front for a target.
second exercise : swing your leg out to the side stretching the inner thigh, again having your outstretched arm held out for a target.
third exercise : looking over your right shoulder swing your right leg to the rear as high as you can, torso will be inclined forward on this stretch. (And then repeat for left side)
IMPORTANT: warm up before doing these stretches. Many people think of streching as warming up, it's not. Run in place, do a stationary bike, jump rope, whatever to get a light sweat going and heart pumping a little, then perform these stretches. I do 3 sets of 10 of each stretch. Also don't try to go too far too fast. You may throw something out you'll want later. So progress slowly.
Then after your workout do the old fashioned static stretching as your cooldown.
Another tip. When kicking, practice slowly to bring more muscle memory into the kick instead of just relying on momentum.
Hope this helps.
Most people train for flexibility by doing static stretching, ie. trying to touch their chest to their leg while sitting on the floor, or any type of variation of that. The problem with that type of stretching is it doen't mimic the movement that you are stretching for, namely kicking.
To remedy this you should practice dynamic stretching.
first exercise: swing straight leg to the front as high as you can. Hold your outstretched arms out in front for a target.
second exercise : swing your leg out to the side stretching the inner thigh, again having your outstretched arm held out for a target.
third exercise : looking over your right shoulder swing your right leg to the rear as high as you can, torso will be inclined forward on this stretch. (And then repeat for left side)
IMPORTANT: warm up before doing these stretches. Many people think of streching as warming up, it's not. Run in place, do a stationary bike, jump rope, whatever to get a light sweat going and heart pumping a little, then perform these stretches. I do 3 sets of 10 of each stretch. Also don't try to go too far too fast. You may throw something out you'll want later. So progress slowly.
Then after your workout do the old fashioned static stretching as your cooldown.
Another tip. When kicking, practice slowly to bring more muscle memory into the kick instead of just relying on momentum.
Hope this helps.
