I'm increasingly curious about daito-ryu aikijutsu because, in a nutshell, it might be a crucial component of the MA mix that gave rise to karate, and therefore, ultimately, to TKD/TSD, which are the Korean expression of karate. Whew... that didn't take as long as I thought it would....
What I'm wondering is, what is the current best-guess evaluation of the antiquity of daito-ryu aikijutsu, and the likelihood that it was a core element of later Minamoto bujutsu. There's excellent reason to believe, as Iain Abernethy argues at some length in his Bunkai- Jutsu: the Practical Application of Karate Kata, that when the Satsuma clan came to Okinawa to (in effect) colonize it for the Japanese shogunate, they intermarried extensively with the Okinawan upper classes and contributed their jutsu techiques to the evolving mix of combat system elements in Okinawa, yielding in the end a synthesis of Chinese, Japanese and indigenous elements that took the form, in the mid 19tch c., of the linear karate we know and love. The exact process by which this came about is still largely a matter of conjecture, at this point, though I have hopes that the research of Harry Cook will ultimately shed enough light on the matter that we will wind up knowing what actually happened. But meanwhile, it looks as though reverse engineering may be the best way to proceed at this point. And if so, then we need to know just what it was that went into the mix, as well as what came out, so that we can come up with some plausible models to test about how what went in became what came out. That's why it's important to know if what the Minamoto samurai were doing several hundred years ago was something along the lines of daito-ryu aikijutsu, as has been claimed many times.
What I'm wondering about is what you-all think about this claim. Can you shed some light on this question of historical orgins? I don't have a horse in this race; I'm just trying to get a sense of what the best interpretation of the best evidence is telling us about the relationship between the 18th c. Satsuma's MA techniques on the one hand and the modern Daito-ryu fighting art. Can you help me here?
What I'm wondering is, what is the current best-guess evaluation of the antiquity of daito-ryu aikijutsu, and the likelihood that it was a core element of later Minamoto bujutsu. There's excellent reason to believe, as Iain Abernethy argues at some length in his Bunkai- Jutsu: the Practical Application of Karate Kata, that when the Satsuma clan came to Okinawa to (in effect) colonize it for the Japanese shogunate, they intermarried extensively with the Okinawan upper classes and contributed their jutsu techiques to the evolving mix of combat system elements in Okinawa, yielding in the end a synthesis of Chinese, Japanese and indigenous elements that took the form, in the mid 19tch c., of the linear karate we know and love. The exact process by which this came about is still largely a matter of conjecture, at this point, though I have hopes that the research of Harry Cook will ultimately shed enough light on the matter that we will wind up knowing what actually happened. But meanwhile, it looks as though reverse engineering may be the best way to proceed at this point. And if so, then we need to know just what it was that went into the mix, as well as what came out, so that we can come up with some plausible models to test about how what went in became what came out. That's why it's important to know if what the Minamoto samurai were doing several hundred years ago was something along the lines of daito-ryu aikijutsu, as has been claimed many times.
What I'm wondering about is what you-all think about this claim. Can you shed some light on this question of historical orgins? I don't have a horse in this race; I'm just trying to get a sense of what the best interpretation of the best evidence is telling us about the relationship between the 18th c. Satsuma's MA techniques on the one hand and the modern Daito-ryu fighting art. Can you help me here?