" Chinese Wrestling "

[Wing Woo Gar]

Accordinate to the Chinese wrestling rule, if you have Chinese wrestling jacket on you, anybody who challenges you, you cannot refuse the challenge. If anybody get killed during wrestling (with wrestling jacket on), there will be no legale issue involved. The Chinese wrestling jacket is called "the hero skin". If you have the courage to put it on, your death cannot be blammed by your opponent.

If we had been on concrete, that throw would have hurt. A lot. It was a high amplitude, high speed shoulder throw. I think that my ukemi is good enough that I probably wouldn't have been knocked out, but it would have sucked.

It’s part of why I don’t buy a lot of the arguments in here about what’s better, because it depends on so many things.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

It’s part of why I don’t buy a lot of the arguments in here about what’s better, because it depends on so many things.

A: Why do you lift your opponent over your shoulder and then drop him down? Why don't you just drag him down instead?
B: Because you want to use the height to drop your opponent to cause damage. If you can smash your opponent's head onto the ground, the game is over.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Here is a SC introduction video to share. It was filmed in 1980.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

One thing that's very important for Chinese wrestling is to remain balance when you throw your opponent on the ground. The reason are:

- not to drop your body on top of your opponent when your opponent is on the ground (for safety reason).
- maintain mobility so you can take off if you need to (when you deal with multiple opponents).

But after MMA is popular, people no longer train this any more.

 

[Tony Dismukes]

One thing that's very important for Chinese wrestling is to remain balance when you throw your opponent on the ground. The reason are:

- not to drop your body on top of your opponent when your opponent is on the ground (for safety reason).
- maintain mobility so you can take off if you need to (when you deal with multiple opponents).

But after MMA is popular, people no longer train this any more.

I always teach my students how to throw their opponent and stay standing first. There are times when it’s better to stay standing and there are times when it’s better to go down to the ground and control your opponent. But if you can throw and keep your balance, it’s an easy adjustment to go down with your opponent if the situation calls for it. On the other hand, if you’ve only practiced going down with your opponent, then it’s a lot harder to stay standing after a throw if that’s what’s necessary in the moment.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

there are times when it’s better to go down to the ground and control your opponent.

SC guy will also go down with opponent for the reasons as:

- lose balance.
- drag down by opponent.
- do it on purpose to use body weight to hurt opponent.

The difference is a SC guy may try to get back up ASAP.

 

[Hanzou]

One thing that's very important for Chinese wrestling is to remain balance when you throw your opponent on the ground. The reason are:

- not to drop your body on top of your opponent when your opponent is on the ground (for safety reason).
- maintain mobility so you can take off if you need to (when you deal with multiple opponents).

But after MMA is popular, people no longer train this any more.

I don’t agree with that. People are still taught throws and sweeps in western wrestling, Bjj, and MMA grappling. The issue is that there are times when throwing someone to the ground won’t stop them. There’s plenty of examples of people getting thrown to a hard surface and popping right back up again and coming for the person who threw them a second, third, or even fourth time. Each time that person comes at you again is another chance they can seriously hurt you.

The other issue is the chance of injury or even death that can be caused from throwing someone on their head or back. Good luck explaining to a judge and jury why you had to paralyze a guy at a bar because he slapped your girl’s butt.

In short, in a lot of cases it is simply better to control someone on the ground over simply tossing them and letting the chips fall where they may. That said, there’s definitely cases where tossing someone is a good idea as well, and people should definitely know how to take someone down and stay on their feet.

 

[Jimmythebull]

It goes back to Greek men mentoring younger more nubile wrestlers

This thread just got weird
Joking aside this below is oil wrestling

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

There are 5 brenches of Chinese wrestling:

- Beijing style.
- Baoding style.
- Tianjin style.
- Mongolian sttyle.
- Yi style.

Here is a video for Chinese Yi minority people no jacket wrestling.

You can see:

- Sprawl.
- Single leg, double legs, foot sweep, outer hook, firemen's carry throw, shoulder throw, embracing, leg spring, leg block, hip throw, ...

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Video for Mongolian wrestling. They only wrestle for 1 round. No time limit.

 

[Alan0354]

One thing that's very important for Chinese wrestling is to remain balance when you throw your opponent on the ground. The reason are:

- not to drop your body on top of your opponent when your opponent is on the ground (for safety reason).
- maintain mobility so you can take off if you need to (when you deal with multiple opponents).

But after MMA is popular, people no longer train this any more.

Because they got creamed.

 

[Alan0354]

I don’t agree with that. People are still taught throws and sweeps in western wrestling, Bjj, and MMA grappling. The issue is that there are times when throwing someone to the ground won’t stop them. There’s plenty of examples of people getting thrown to a hard surface and popping right back up again and coming for the person who threw them a second, third, or even fourth time. Each time that person comes at you again is another chance they can seriously hurt you.

The other issue is the chance of injury or even death that can be caused from throwing someone on their head or back. Good luck explaining to a judge and jury why you had to paralyze a guy at a bar because he slapped your girl’s butt.

In short, in a lot of cases it is simply better to control someone on the ground over simply tossing them and letting the chips fall where they may. That said, there’s definitely cases where tossing someone is a good idea as well, and people should definitely know how to take someone down and stay on their feet.

Problem is those kind of Judo stuff end at throwing the opponent to the ground. But it is proven throw to the ground is ONLY the start, then comes the ground game that those Judo really don't have anything. I called those Judo in the generic term, they all the same.

 

[Alan0354]

Video for Mongolian wrestling. They only wrestle for 1 round. No time limit.

That's where BJJ and wrestling is SO MUCH more advanced. All these "Judo" end when throwing to the ground. that's where bjj and wrestling begin. That's why BJJ and wrestling made a mark in UFC and MMA.

Maybe they should challenge Xu Xiaodong in China first, if they can beat him, at least make a little name, then try fight into the octagon and see how they fair.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=xu+xiaodong

 

[Jimmythebull]

Problem is those kind of Judo stuff end at throwing the opponent to the ground. But it is proven throw to the ground is ONLY the start, then comes the ground game that those Judo really don't have anything. I called those Judo in the generic term, they all the same.

Yeah but kosen Judo? Also outside when on the ground no-one goes to the floor with anyone. You'll get a few kicks to the head..then that's it.

 

[Jimmythebull]

Did the old man Gracie start here?...I think so.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Also outside when on the ground no-one goes to the floor with anyone. You'll get a few kicks to the head..then that's it.

Both ground skill (1 against 1) and mobility (1 against many) are important. It's better to preserve both instead of to preserve just one of the other.

Here is a clip of taking your opponent down and then take off.

 

[Alan0354]

Yeah but kosen Judo? Also outside when on the ground no-one goes to the floor with anyone. You'll get a few kicks to the head..then that's it.

That's better.

 

[Jimmythebull]

That's better.

Of course the BJJ people still probably think the Gracies invented it all.

 

[Alan0354]

Of course the BJJ people still probably think the Gracies invented it all.

They are not doing too well now!!! MMA is so much more advance after incorporate BJJ into it and improved. I am not defending BJJ, they did ruled at the beginning of UFC, then faded. I myself would like to learn BJJ only because I have no knowledge of ground game. It will really add to my kick boxing.

there are advantage of ground game, there was news that one of those crazy attacker tried to attack people randomly, one of the BJJ guy submitted him, hold him on the ground long enough for the police to come over to arrest the guy. If he started kicking the guy after throwing him down, he might got into trouble of assaulting the guy. You don't know the law here, it's getting crazy. Releasing violent criminal and prosecute the law abiding people to the full extend.

You mean BJJ people have a garbage mouth like those CMA people also? I have no idea. I can only speak from my experience of CMA people when I was in Hong Kong those days.

 

[Jimmythebull]

They are not doing too well now!!!

Nothing against BJJ but I'm sick of people thinking it's somehow invincible..utter BS