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Jimmythebull
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So I take it in Sambo they train without a jacket too?
Yup...Good stuff
Yup...Good stuff
" Chinese Wrestling "
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Hanzou
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Not traditionally. Typically Sambo is practiced with a jacket. MMA pushed many grappling systems towards nogi.
Hanzou
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It's a fine grappling system. Unfortunately it's getting eclipsed by BJJ and MMA grappling systems outside of Russia.
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Jimmythebull
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I´ve never seen it live so can only go by videos but yes most are with Gi
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Hanzou
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It's the same thing that happened with Bjj; Traditional BJJ is practiced in the gi, but nogi popularity exploded in the early 2000s, and now you'll be hard-pressed to find a BJJ gym not offering nogi training.
I personally prefer nogi for cost (cheaper than a gi), more self-expression, and self defense.
Very old. It made some waves a few years ago thanks to its leglocks and stand up, but Renzo's DDS boys stole its thunder before it could get a foothold.
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Jimmythebull
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yeah let´s not forget Russia is a vast country with mongolian in there & a chinese influence...do you think there´s an influence from the chinese wrestling?
Oily Dragon
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Don't forget the short shorts. They are the standout feature of Sambo.
Because dammit, wrestlers have the legs for it.
Hanzou
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If someone showed some evidence of Chinese wrestling within Russian wrestling, I wouldn't be surprised. Russia and Eastern Europe has some of the best wrestlers on the planet.
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Jimmythebull
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very true
Oily Dragon
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True story: Someone once tried to convince me South Americans invented wrestling. They were extremely determined, too.
I responded with "A Tiger in Africa???".
They were bewitched.
Just take what is useful and use it. BJJ alone won't do it now-a-days either, they also has to incorporate other style to be effective.
Don't you know by now, that anything that is good, CMA will claim they invented it 1000 years ago?!!!
I am waiting for them to claim they invented boxing or Muy Thai also.
They have always been strong in wrestling.
My understanding îs that Muay Thai is the sporting version of muay boranDon't you know by now, that anything that is good, CMA will claim they invented it 1000 years ago?!!!
I am waiting for them to claim they invented boxing or Muy Thai also.
My understanding îs that Muay Thai is the sporting version of muay boran.Don't you know by now, that anything that is good, CMA will claim they invented it 1000 years ago?!!!
I am waiting for them to claim they invented boxing or Muy Thai also.
Hanzou
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Well I wasn't saying that Bjj was superior or anything. What I mean is that Sambo attempted to enter the grappling craze and was making a little headway, but was quickly cut off by Bjj exponents embracing leglocks and wrestling. In the end, it became less that Sambo was offering something BJJ wasn't offering, and more if you prefer Sambo's aesthetics to Bjj's.
The problem for Sambo was that Bjj's culture was just WAY more appealing to the masses than Sambo's. Just like Brazil and southern California is WAY more appealing than Russia. So because of that, Sambo got eclipsed pretty quickly. Still a highly effective system of grappling though. The same thing happened to Catch btw when it tried to get into the grappling craze in the late 90s/2000s.
Oily Dragon
Senior Master
Well, the Chinese wrestling tradition is over 4,500 years old, a lot older than the Greek Dark Ages. The closest comparison I know of is Egyptian wrestling, which dates as far back as the 20th century BC and contains pretty much every hold in modern wrestling.Don't you know by now, that anything that is good, CMA will claim they invented it 1000 years ago?!!!
I am waiting for them to claim they invented boxing or Muy Thai also.
The oldest artifacts depicting wrestling are actually cave drawings.
Really, no culture "invented" wrestling. Humans evolved this skill from our mammal ancestors, which is why you can find the origins of wrestling in every major civilization in history. But historically it all comes from the Asia/Africa/Levant region (like everything human).
Ancient Chinese wrestling pictures.
People who promoted Chinese wrestling in US back in 1980.
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