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I've never said such thing about any chokes.


I've never said that I use a super wide stance. Show me where I've said that. You guys make a lot of assumptions about what I'm talking about. A low stance does not mean that it has to be a super wide stance. A low stance simply means you bend your knees more. It doesn't mean make your stance as wide as possible.

Do you consider this a super wide stance?
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If I'm doing a super wide stance then so are these professional MMA fighters.

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This is a super wide stance. You go go back to any of my post and you'll see me talk about low stances, not super wide stances.


You asked me what technique I was using. I told you. These are your words "Would you happen to have an example of that SJ technique? I'm very curious to see what you're talking about here."
I gave you an example of the technique I was using. That is what the MMA guy was trying to do to me. I've already shown you the technique that used.


This technique doesn't work on me because of my stance is low and the foot of my lead leg doesn't point north. You can see in the picture that my lead foot in not pointing north . I there's no way that he can push the inside of my knee.



I never said it was fool proof. I already told you where the technique is weak and why.
Your stance is not low in the picture, the question is how do you move? in MMA, people with this stance jump around like boxing high stance. They are very mobile jumping back and fore. Are you light of the feet like them or just lower stance? You need to show yourself moving to tell how well you are doing it. Can you move fast enough? I've only see you do slow speed demo or still pictures, never any regular speed motion. Speed is everything.

Here is an example:
 
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Clearly we weren't talking about the same technique. Further, saying a technique "doesn't work on you" is entering Master Wong territory. I respect you and your experience, but saying stuff like that is a big red flag.
The technique doens't work on the stance. There's nothing wrong with saying that. That is the nature of all techniques. Some techniques work against other and some techniques don't. Like trying to use a font kick to my knee cap to hyper extend my knee doesn't work when my knee has a deep bend in it. That kick will however work if I have a slight bend in my knee.

There is no one technique that works against all techniques and I've made no assumptions about it. I have even stated the weaknesses of the low stance. Has anyone else talked about the weaknesses that they have in their approach? I think not. I don't mind talking about the weaknesses of any techniques that I do, and I have done so in multiple occasions. But I've also have stated what's been working for me along with why it didn't work.
 
our stance is not low in the picture, the question is how do you move?
That is my mid level stance. Low stance starts when it gets lower than that. I can't go super low because it destroys mobility, So the actual space that is good for mobility is only a few inches lower than that. The best way to describe it may in terms of the angle of the knee. So in this picture. Low stance is anything shorter than this stance so long as my knees don't reach a 90 degree angle. At that angle the weight distribution changes, weight mobility gets sucked up by the strain on the legs trying to hold that position. Instead of driving force into the ground it feels like it's going into the knees. I can lower my height more without bending my knees by making my stance wider, but that makes things worse for me. It will give me knew problems like shifting weight from one leg to the other. If the stance is so wide that I can't quickly stand one leg, then my stance is too wide.

As for moving around at this height I can still walk the stance. (move lead foot, then rear foot.) I can also shuffle and step back. Shuffling is probably the quickest, but it's also the most demanding. The one good thing to take note is if your opponent likes to press you then you won't be in the stance for long. That person will keep you moving and you'll most likely go through various stance level changes.


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That is my mid level stance. Low stance starts when it gets lower than that. I can't go super low because it destroys mobility, So the actual space that is good for mobility is only a few inches lower than that. The best way to describe it may in terms of the angle of the knee. So in this picture. Low stance is anything shorter than this stance so long as my knees don't reach a 90 degree angle. At that angle the weight distribution changes, weight mobility gets sucked up by the strain on the legs trying to hold that position. Instead of driving force into the ground it feels like it's going into the knees. I can lower my height more without bending my knees by making my stance wider, but that makes things worse for me. It will give me knew problems like shifting weight from one leg to the other. If the stance is so wide that I can't quickly stand one leg, then my stance is too wide.

As for moving around at this height I can still walk the stance. (move lead foot, then rear foot.) I can also shuffle and step back. Shuffling is probably the quickest, but it's also the most demanding. The one good thing to take note is if your opponent likes to press you then you won't be in the stance for long. That person will keep you moving and you'll most likely go through various stance level changes.


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I think that's a good "mid-level" stance for someone who prefers lower stances. It's high enough so that you can have some mobility as long as your legs are conditioned for it, but it's low enough so that you can easily lower your level when you're trying to stuff a shot. I've seen professional fighters who use a stance that low at least some of the time. I'm currently trying to get into the habit of working out of a similarly low stance for my HEMA fencing, as that goes along with the treatise sources we are working with.

I also think you've identified a lot of the relative strengths and weaknesses. You're sacrificing some mobility, you require a degree of leg conditioning, and you are relatively vulnerable to leg kicks. You gain some stability and you're more difficult to take down.

Just don't confuse "more difficult" with "impossible". There are fighters out there who can take you down no matter what stance you fight out of.
 
Are you light of the feet like them or just lower stance? You need to show yourself moving to tell how well you are doing it. Can you move fast enough?
I can be but I'm usually not. It just depends on what I think I'll be dealing with. If I think I'm only going to be dealing with strikes then I'll move around more. If I think I'll be grappling then I'll move around less knowing that my legs will need that energy. I try not to make excessive movements, for example, I don't bounce. But I do bouncing as one of my training exercises as it helps with my leg strength and endurance and helps to to stay light footed. I just don't use it when sparring. I'll try to remember to record a few minutes of my footwork tonight
 
The thing about sprawling is that I can't kick or punch from that position.
The "downward pulling" is similar to spraling but you can still remain your own mobility.

This is the only picture that my teacher competed in the national tournament in Shanghai, China back in 1947.

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The moment that you use sprawling, the moment that you lose your own mobility too. If you use your palm to strike on the back of your opponent's neck follow with a pull (neck wipping), you can let your opponent to kiss the dirt while still remaining your own mobility.

This is why I don't like leg shooting. My opponent's free hands can do too many things.

 
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I think that's a good "mid-level" stance for someone who prefers lower stances. It's high enough so that you can have some mobility as long as your legs are conditioned for it, but it's low enough so that you can easily lower your level when you're trying to stuff a shot.
I tried to go from high to low in the past just like they teach in a lot of kung fu schools including mine. It's just not feasible when we are trying to react in fractions of a second. If we are the same height I've just given you a textbook clear open to shoot in on me. Even if I want to drop stance, I'm only going to make it half way down as you make contact and that's not enough to get under your arms. I may not even make it that far if I'm occupied with reacting to your previous action before the shoot. I wouldn't be surprised if the required drop from high stance to low stance is more than a foot.

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to this stance level is a long journey in a world where a single leg latches on. Even dropping to that level quickly with no pressure or opponent is difficult to do. I can't do it, I don't think that will change as I age lol. I rather be half way to where I need to be so it only takes me half the time to get there.
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Just don't confuse "more difficult" with "impossible". There are fighters out there who can take you down no matter what stance you fight out of.
As long as I can identify and be honest with the weaknesses then nothing will be impossible. Literally, at this moment the easiest way to defeat my low stance is to trigger me to take it and then force me to be in it for a long period of time. aka (2 minutes). After that I won't have the strength to do the stance. If I understand that, more than anyone else, then "impossible" if far from my thoughts.. I even told my sparring partner the same thing, but he went for the brute force solution, which is fine with me.

I think in general there is a misconception of what a low stance is. People tend to picture the right thing for conditioning but the wrong thing for application. Even Kung Fu practitioners debate the effectiveness and use of it.

The moment that you use sprawling, the moment that you lose your own mobility too.
I was always taught that the sprawl was the go to for being caught off guard. If I'm not caught off guard then use the other plan that I have and not fall back on the sprawl.
 
We have talked about the long guard in another thread. If you can put your hand on your opponent's shoulder, you can stop his shooting during the early stage.
I used the long guard last night against some a teen (I guessing he's a teen or in his early tweenties). Whenever he advanced and was in range I would place my hand on the side of his face and push his head off center. The only reason I was able to do it is because he didn't mange my long guard. I'm curious if hey will use any of the stuff that I showed them last night. I showed them the long guard and a low wrestler's stance. I missed being able to spar with him maybe next time.
 
I was always taught that the sprawl was the go to for being caught off guard. If I'm not caught off guard then use the other plan that I have and not fall back on the sprawl.
As long as your leading leg can move back faster than your opponent's shooting, you can lead your opponent's shooting into the emptiness.

This is why in the "home gym" thread, I suggest to use the weight pulley to train the "press your opponent's head down and step back your leading leg" drill. After you have drilled it over 10,000 times, you will develop fast footwork to pull your leading leg back when your opponent shoots in.

You can go to gym to build up big muscle. You can also develop good shooting counter at the same time - kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

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Heard good things about it. People won in the first few UFC by sambo(I think). So at least they won in the octagon.

It does look like Judo too in your video.
Not just the early UFCs. Khabib Nurmagomedov is one of the most dominant fighters of the current era and he has a Sambo background. (Also wrestling and Judo. The 3 arts are very synergistic.)

What do you guys think about Sambo?
I’m a fan of Sambo and have trained just a little bit in it. The instructor in that video is Vlad Koulikov. I’m going to be attending a seminar with him next month and I’ll probably post to report my experience.
 

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