drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
If boxers fists aren't optimal for punching without a glove wouldn't kickboxers and Muay Thai guys have the same problem? Since they all use basically the same kind of glove?
I mean I guess some might not know how to make a fist but I don't see that being that common.
And we have bare knuckle boxing. And punching in 5 ounce gloves as well.