Black Belt Magazine - Honoring Chuck Norris: A Legacy Told by His Peers

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Long before the world came to know Chuck Norris through the lens of entertainment, he had already earned deep respect where it mattered most—on the mats, in the dojo, and among those who truly understood discipline.

Before Hollywood: The Untold Legacy of Chuck Norris, As Told by Those Who Knew Him

 
I had a lot of respect for Chuck Norris, one of the greatest tournament fighters (both in point and full contact sparring) and his kata was also at a high level. I saw him compete in the late 60's where he outclassed his opponents with his combinations, competed in his Four Seasons karate tournament and later met him at the Internationals. Equally important, he was a terrific ambassador for the art, by all accounts one of the "good guys." Now, that said, let's all keep it real.

Hollywood is not real, nor IMO was his acting ability. He was fortunate his brother was in the business and helped get him get into acting where he (somehow) became a star to the non-MA public. I liked him best as a television spokesperson for the home gym - his sincerity and regular guy persona clearly showing. (I also liked Christly Brinkley, one of the cutest women ever! who appeared with him 😍.)

I want to keep things in perspective, honoring him as a martial artist and as an individual, rather than an overblown media superstar. He had millions of fans who watched Walker, Texas Ranger, and that's OK for the general public. But I'd hate to see that fame overshadow his standing in the TMA community and the skills he dedicated himself to attaining. He was someone, like us, who drilled, strived, sweated and strengthen his character in pursuit of his art.
 
I liked his movies. And I suspect they are like they are for the same reason Charled Bronson did all the death wish movies. I saw an interview with Bronson where the interviewer asked him why he did such violent movies. Bronson's response "Because no one would go and see Charles Bronson does Hamlet"
 
I liked his movies. And I suspect they are like they are for the same reason Charled Bronson did all the death wish movies. I saw an interview with Bronson where the interviewer asked him why he did such violent movies. Bronson's response "Because no one would go and see Charles Bronson does Hamlet"
Gotta protect the brand.
 
When I was a kid, I liked his movies. When I got older I realized that he was a terrible actor who never really improved much. Surprisingly, I don't think his fight scenes hold up very well either. Which is weird considering his skills as a martial artist. Maybe he just never got a really good fight choreographer.

But I have all the respect in the world for his accomplishments as a martial artist.
 
We were at the same tournament several times in the '80's. Same height and pretty much the same weight. In Chicago and Indianapolis. He was very much a puncher/hands guy but did have some wicked spinning kicks. Loved a spinning backfist. They were/are legal in opens.
Good times.
 
When I was a kid, I liked his movies. When I got older I realized that he was a terrible actor who never really improved much. Surprisingly, I don't think his fight scenes hold up very well either. Which is weird considering his skills as a martial artist. Maybe he just never got a really good fight choreographer.

But I have all the respect in the world for his accomplishments as a martial artist.
Considering western movie directors/producers asked Jet Li to slow down for his fight scenes, it is hard to know why
 
We were at the same tournament several times in the '80's. Same height and pretty much the same weight. In Chicago and Indianapolis. He was very much a puncher/hands guy but did have some wicked spinning kicks. Loved a spinning backfist. They were/are legal in opens.
Good times.
He competed in the 80’s ?(well obviously he did since you write so, I’m just surprised)
 
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I had a lot of respect for Chuck Norris, one of the greatest tournament fighters (both in point and full contact sparring) and his kata was also at a high level. I saw him compete in the late 60's where he outclassed his opponents with his combinations, competed in his Four Seasons karate tournament and later met him at the Internationals. Equally important, he was a terrific ambassador for the art, by all accounts one of the "good guys." Now, that said, let's all keep it real.

Hollywood is not real, nor IMO was his acting ability. He was fortunate his brother was in the business and helped get him get into acting where he (somehow) became a star to the non-MA public. I liked him best as a television spokesperson for the home gym - his sincerity and regular guy persona clearly showing. (I also liked Christly Brinkley, one of the cutest women ever! who appeared with him 😍.)

I want to keep things in perspective, honoring him as a martial artist and as an individual, rather than an overblown media superstar. He had millions of fans who watched Walker, Texas Ranger, and that's OK for the general public. But I'd hate to see that fame overshadow his standing in the TMA community and the skills he dedicated himself to attaining. He was someone, like us, who drilled, strived, sweated and strengthen his character in pursuit of his art.
I thought he got into movies through friendship with Bruce Lee….and so the other Hollywood actors that studied with B.L ?
 
I thought he got into movies through friendship with Bruce Lee….and so the other Hollywood actors that studied with B.L ?
Steve McQueen actually encouraged him to go into acting, McQueen was one of his students. His friendship with Bruce Lee certainly helped though
 
He competed in the 80’s ?(well obviously he did since you write so, I’m just surprised)
He was still bringing it in the early '80's. They were friendlies so, not for accruing points in the circuit. Competition is hard to get out of your system.
 
I thought he got into movies through friendship with Bruce Lee….and so the other Hollywood actors that studied with B.L ?
Chuck's school was on Ventura Blvd. which runs along the north base of the Hollywood Hills, an area home to many in the entertainment field so he had much exposure to them, aside from his brother and Bruce Lee. There was a combination of things which facilitated his move into the field.

The dojo where I trained was just a couple of blocks away, so we had our share of Hollywood notables come in as well. One of my students starred in Carrie and The Greatest American Hero and another in Avalanche, Young Daniel Boone and General Hospital.

A number of Los Angeles area karate experts found their way into movie/TV spots (my sensei included) but only Chuck hit it big. He was likable, intelligent, and a great martial artist.
 
Chuck's school was on Ventura Blvd. which runs along the north base of the Hollywood Hills, an area home to many in the entertainment field so he had much exposure to them, aside from his brother and Bruce Lee. There was a combination of things which facilitated his move into the field.

The dojo where I trained was just a couple of blocks away, so we had our share of Hollywood notables come in as well. One of my students starred in Carrie and The Greatest American Hero and another in Avalanche, Young Daniel Boone and General Hospital.

A number of Los Angeles area karate experts found their way into movie/TV spots (my sensei included) but only Chuck hit it big. He was likable, intelligent, and a great martial artist.
I have come to understand C.N learned ”karate” while stationed in Korea(he was already into Judo), was this also the case with his brother , or did C.N teach his brother when he came back to the US?
 
I have come to understand C.N learned ”karate” while stationed in Korea(he was already into Judo), was this also the case with his brother , or did C.N teach his brother when he came back to the US?
I beleive Aaron Norris learned his MA from his brother and help organize the Chuck's MA organization
Chuck Norris Started with Tang Soo Do in Korea, but Judo was first as part of his training for Military Police in Korea, but due to a broken shoulder ended up inTang Soo Do BJJ and anything else came after that... and yes, I did read his books :)
 
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No need for quote marks, IMO. TSD in those days was just considered another karate style as practiced in Korea. Chuck's fighting/kata looked much like everyone else's, only a bit better.
Negative ghost rider. Hwang Kee did have strong influence from Japanese Karate and Chinese styles, but TSD was his (Korean) project starting sometime around 1936..
 
Negative ghost rider. Hwang Kee did have strong influence from Japanese Karate and Chinese styles, but TSD was his (Korean) project starting sometime around 1936.
Not making a representation of TSD origins, just that it did not look much different from all the other styles competing back then (I saw Norris both spar and do forms - looked like karate) and within the general MA community was "considered" and often referred to as a Korean karate style.

Like most American servicemen studying TMA overseas, Chuck was only there a short time so likely didn't get too deep into the art. Perhaps the old TSD looked different at the more advanced level with more of Kee's Chinese influence showing up but I don't think Norris was exposed to that higher level. He did make what he did know work very well.
 
Not making a representation of TSD origins, just that it did not look much different from all the other styles competing back then (I saw Norris both spar and do forms - looked like karate) and within the general MA community was "considered" and often referred to as a Korean karate style.

Like most American servicemen studying TMA overseas, Chuck was only there a short time so likely didn't get too deep into the art. Perhaps the old TSD looked different at the more advanced level with more of Kee's Chinese influence showing up but I don't think Norris was exposed to that higher level. He did make what he did know work very well.
Chuck Norris got his first black belts in Korea in Tang Soo Do under Master Mun Sik Do

And a lot of people called their schools Karate in the 60s 70s and even today, even though they technically are not Karate. It is what people know and will pay for. Who in the 60s, outside of people who spent time in Korea would know what Tang Soo Do was.

It’s like schools that say they teach Kung Fu, even though there is no specific style called Kung Fu. People know what Kung Fu is… no one would know what Tantui, or Tongbei or Baji was
 
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