Aikido in the MMA ring?

drop bear · Jan 2, 2016

ballen0351 said:
Then Bas opinion it wont work is irrelevant to the topic

Lol. Hardly. As he has a fair idea of what will work.

ballen0351 · Jan 2, 2016

drop bear said:
Lol. Hardly. As he has a fair idea of what will work.

You just said working or not wasn't the topic

drop bear · Jan 2, 2016

ballen0351 said:
You just said working or not wasn't the topic

I must have said it quietly because it isnt written on this thread.

ballen0351 · Jan 2, 2016

drop bear said:
I think the whole point of this thread is there is not a mma akido expert that exists.

drop bear said:
I must have said it quietly because it isnt written on this thread.

Well according to you the topic is if there is an expert in Aikido in MMA not if Aikido would work in MMA

Hanzou · Jan 2, 2016

ballen0351 said:
Then Bas opinion it wont work is irrelevant to the topic

So who's opinion would be relevant? Aikidoka who have never fought in MMA (since we've established that Aikido as a base art in MMA is nonexistent)?

ballen0351 · Jan 2, 2016

Hanzou said:
So who's opinion would be relevant? Aikidoka who have never fought in MMA (since we've established that Aikido as a base art in MMA is nonexistent)?

According to you..........

Hanzou · Jan 2, 2016

ballen0351 said:
According to you..........

According to fighter histories and stats. I have yet to see any mma fighter have Aikido as their base style.

If you've found some to the contrary, please share.

ballen0351 · Jan 2, 2016

Hanzou said:
According to fighter histories and stats. I have yet to see any mma fighter have Aikido as their base style.

If you've found some to the contrary, please share.

Im not arrogant enough to believe I know what every fighter in the world is trained in.....................

Hanzou · Jan 2, 2016

ballen0351 said:
Im not arrogant enough to believe I know what every fighter in the world is trained in.....................

Okay..... well in the absence of any Aikido-based MMA fighter, Bas' viewpoint becomes extremely relevant to the topic.

ballen0351 · Jan 2, 2016

Hanzou said:
Okay..... well in the absence of any Aikido-based MMA fighter, Bas' viewpoint becomes extremely relevant to the topic.

Nope he knows nothing about Aikido to pass judgment

Hanzou · Jan 2, 2016

ballen0351 said:
Nope he knows nothing about Aikido to pass judgment

Actually, we don't know how much he knows about Aikido.

ballen0351 · Jan 2, 2016

Hanzou said:
Actually, we don't know how much he knows about Aikido.

well his explanation of wrist locks shows a lack of knowledge on the topic

Drew Ahn-Kim · Jan 2, 2016

I think there's a fundamental misconception about what a martial artist is supposed to be. I love MMA, I train BJJ, however I appreciate all Martial Arts and realize they all have different functions and philosophies. I also would never go on a crusade against other styles, BJJ doesn't need a spokesperson to advocate why its the best grappling style, that's what ADCC is for. Everyone's martial arts journey is different, and at its core should be about personal growth and development, not about being the best fighter.

"There is a difference between a fighter and a martial artist. A fighter is training for a purpose: He has a fight. I'm a martial artist. I don't train for a fight. I train for myself. I'm training all the time. My goal is perfection. But I will never reach perfection." - Georges St. Pierre

Steve · Jan 2, 2016

Hanzou said:
I read it as how would her Aikido be helpful if she chose to compete in MMA.

Either way, the basic reality is that Aikido wouldn't serve her as well in MMA as some other disciplines would.

That would be true if her goal were to do well in MMA. If her goal is to improve her aikido, MMA wouldn't be all that helpful. Wouldn't you agree?

Hanzou · Jan 2, 2016

Steve said:
That would be true if her goal were to do well in MMA. If her goal is to improve her aikido, MMA wouldn't be all that helpful. Wouldn't you agree?

Well a good question to ask is why wouldn't MMA improve her Aikido?

If we are to believe that Aikido is a martial art that can be used in a fight, why couldn't it be useful for MMA purposes? MMA bouts are nothing more than sanctioned fights after all.

Drew Ahn-Kim · Jan 2, 2016

Hanzou said:
Well a good question to ask is why wouldn't MMA improve her Aikido?

If we are to believe that Aikido is a martial art that can be used in a fight, why couldn't it be useful for MMA purposes? MMA bouts are nothing more than sanctioned fights after all.

It MAY improve her Aikido, but it very MAY not. Training MMA requires you to focus on so many things that you will undoubtedly lose some of the time as well as cognitive resources that could be devoted to a single martial art discipline. Also your statement supposes that Aikido's success is solely based on its ability to perform in a fight. I don't know enough about Aikido to make any judgements of absolute certainty, but I'm pretty sure the art has much more to it then that.

ballen0351 · Jan 2, 2016

Drew Ahn-Kim said:
, that's what ADCC is for.

Whats ADCC?

ballen0351 · Jan 2, 2016

Hanzou said:
Well a good question to ask is why wouldn't MMA improve her Aikido?

Different goals, mindset, rules, motivation

If we are to believe that Aikido is a martial art that can be used in a fight, why couldn't it be useful for MMA purposes? MMA bouts are nothing more than sanctioned fights after all.

Different goals, mindset, rules, motivation
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Hanzou · Jan 2, 2016

Drew Ahn-Kim said:
It MAY improve her Aikido, but it very MAY not. Training MMA requires you to focus on so many things that you will undoubtedly lose some of the time as well as cognitive resources that could be devoted to a single martial art discipline.

Eh, not sure I agree with that. As a purple belt in Bjj, I occasionally cross-train with some MMA guys and I find it very beneficial since they'll actually throw strikes at me while I'm grappling them, show me how to mix in striking with my grappling, and I get to practice takedowns a lot more than I do at my home gym. I find those aspects to be very beneficial to my main discipline.

I can't imagine a Aikidoka wouldn't enjoy similar benefits from practicing with a MMA fighter.

Also your statement supposes that Aikido's success is solely based on its ability to perform in a fight. I don't know enough about Aikido to make any judgements of absolute certainty, but I'm pretty sure the art has much more to it then that.

I would say that any martial art's success hinges on the belief of its practitioners that it can protect them in a fight. I have yet to run across any MA practitioner who said that their art doesn't teach them how to fight, or how to defend themselves if some burly thug is looking to do them harm.

Heck, Aikidoka themselves relish in the tales of O'Sensei and Takeda Sōkaku's fighting abilities.

ballen0351 said:
Different goals, mindset, rules, motivation

Those vary from person to person regardless of MA of choice. Not everyone practicing Aikido has the same goals, mindset, or motivation for example.

Drew Ahn-Kim · Jan 2, 2016

ballen0351 said:
Whats ADCC?

ADCC is the Abu Dhabi Combat Club Submission Wrestling World Championship, funded by the Sheikh of UAE, it's a grappling tournament open to any style and has seen Wrestlers, BJJ, Judoka, Sambo, Shoot wrestlers, and various hybrids all compete. Its one of the crown jewels, if not THE crown jewel of competitive grappling.

ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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