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That is definitely not my message. I personally would like to study aikido, and I am afraid I probably missed my chance to train with some highly skilled fellows when I left San Francisco. I regret that, but life is busy and time is limited. I think it would be time well spent though, although I recognize my body at my age might object to all the falling. Maybe I will have an opportunity yet to do so.

But my position is definitely NOT that aikido sucks.
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Ive said no such thing. Ive actually been saying the opposite. I believe aikido (as far as I understand it) has everything it needs to be functional, and I am questioning the very idea that someone must have prior background in other martial systems in order to aikido to be useful.
I dont believe any one art has everything
 
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Maybe what? Im telling you how I feel about it. I wish I had the time to train with some specific aikido fellows when I used to live in San Francisco. I regret that I did not.
I mean maybe you should train it
 

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I mean maybe you should train it
I agree! I hope an opportunity opens up in the future. Life is busy, I cant always do everything, even if I would have liked to. I actually surf the local aikido school websites on occasion to see who teaches in my area. I think about whether or not I might be able to work it in at some point.
 

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Yes there is a lot of back of house fundamentals needed to make Aikido work.

No they tend not to train that in Aikido.

I mean if for example you are attempting to develop aiki and you are not doing some form of resisted wrestling. Then how do you develop that?

It is by definition a timing and intuitive skill.
 

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Not what Ive read so Im not gonna even bother reading, ty
Wow... That's not exactly conducive to learning if you refuse to read things that don't agree with what you've already been told. Because nobody ever has told a "creative" story about the founding of a martial art, right?
 
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Wow... That's not exactly conducive to learning if you refuse to read things that don't agree with what you've already been told. Because nobody ever has told a "creative" story about the founding of a martial art, right?
Yes but as I said in another post, Ill research it further

and I did read it
 

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One An article isnt exactly some ground breaking evidence though...I mean I can look up videos of his students
There's really only one way to know if it is or is not. That would be... to read it.
 

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Wow... That's not exactly conducive to learning if you refuse to read things that don't agree with what you've already been told. Because nobody ever has told a "creative" story about the founding of a martial art, right?

Is there any evidence that link wasn't a creative story about the founding of martial arts?

I am pretty sure you could reasonably discount that link.

Simone Chierchini, an enthusiast Aikido student and divulgator, is a direct student of Hideki Hosokawa and Yoji Fujimoto sensei and has been a pioneer of Aikido in Ireland and an ambassador of the discipline in Egypt.

For over 10 years he has been animating Aikido Italia Network, his extra-mat creature specialised in the production and dissemination of Aikido culture worldwide.


I mean the guy who wrote that article isn't doing peer reviewed stuff. w
What is the most prestigious magazine in that sector. Black Belt? Not exactly a source for hard hitting journalism.


"Simone has written numerous articles and interviews - both in English and Italian - for the most prestigious magazines and blogs of the sector. In 2009 he has published a novel, "Narrando Viaggiando" with Albatros - Il Filo Edizioni.

Aikido Italia Network Publishing is his latest enterprise."
 
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Do you train Aikido with other arts to make it work on the streets?
All arts have their pluses and minuses, their strengths and weaknesses. The first thing my Eskrido instructor tells new folks is to Not loose what you already know. I do not know Aikido well, but i do know a 2nd degree BB that stated he knows really nothing of punches and kicks. I would imagine it would be well complimented by any striking/kicking art.
 
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Is there any evidence that link wasn't a creative story about the founding of martial arts?

I am pretty sure you could reasonably discount that link.

Simone Chierchini, an enthusiast Aikido student and divulgator, is a direct student of Hideki Hosokawa and Yoji Fujimoto sensei and has been a pioneer of Aikido in Ireland and an ambassador of the discipline in Egypt.

For over 10 years he has been animating Aikido Italia Network, his extra-mat creature specialised in the production and dissemination of Aikido culture worldwide.


I mean the guy who wrote that article isn't doing peer reviewed stuff. w
What is the most prestigious magazine in that sector. Black Belt? Not exactly a source for hard hitting journalism.


"Simone has written numerous articles and interviews - both in English and Italian - for the most prestigious magazines and blogs of the sector. In 2009 he has published a novel, "Narrando Viaggiando" with Albatros - Il Filo Edizioni.

Aikido Italia Network Publishing is his latest enterprise."
Don't know -- and you won't know without reading it. My comment was in response to the attitude displayed of "I don't need to look at things that might disgree with my world.
 

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I mean the guy who wrote that article isn't doing peer reviewed stuff. w
What is the most prestigious magazine in that sector. Black Belt? Not exactly a source for hard hitting journalism.

No - the most prestigious magazine on the topic was Stan Pranin's Aiki News. It's fairly well established that Ueshiba did not have any extensive MA training before meeting Takeda and learning Daito ryu, which he went on to do for a couple of decades.
 

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Is there any evidence that link wasn't a creative story about the founding of martial arts?

I am pretty sure you could reasonably discount that link.

Simone Chierchini, an enthusiast Aikido student and divulgator, is a direct student of Hideki Hosokawa and Yoji Fujimoto sensei and has been a pioneer of Aikido in Ireland and an ambassador of the discipline in Egypt.

For over 10 years he has been animating Aikido Italia Network, his extra-mat creature specialised in the production and dissemination of Aikido culture worldwide.


I mean the guy who wrote that article isn't doing peer reviewed stuff. w
What is the most prestigious magazine in that sector. Black Belt? Not exactly a source for hard hitting journalism.


"Simone has written numerous articles and interviews - both in English and Italian - for the most prestigious magazines and blogs of the sector. In 2009 he has published a novel, "Narrando Viaggiando" with Albatros - Il Filo Edizioni.

Aikido Italia Network Publishing is his latest enterprise."
Chierchini is legit. He searched for evidence of what Morihei Ueshiba actually studied and cites his sources. It's also consistent with the chapters of Ellis Amdur's book "Hidden in Plain Sight" that discuss Ueshiba's training history. Among other things, the book has been reviewed by Peter Goldsbury, an academic, ex-chairman of the International Aikido Federation, considered as an uncontroversial authority on aikido history. I preferred to quote Chierchini over Amdur's book since it's open access (and still from a reliable author). So we have several reputable sources saying "he studied essentially Daito Ryu and a bit of X and Y, but there's no evidence of him studying anything else". There's also an old study by John Driscoll who found that at least 97 out of the 118 basic DR techniques have been passed down in aikido.

On the other hand, we have the narrative of "Ueshiba was a master of multiple martial arts". It's something the Aikikai used to push decades ago (probably to differentiate it from DR), which is still repeated today by folks who heard it once in the 80s, YouTubers who don't know much, and people trying to justify the lack of fighting ability of most aikidoka. Even the link to DR had been obfuscated by the Aikikai until Stanley Pranin started digging. Typically, people who say that Ueshiba was a master of multiple arts are unable to say exactly what arts he studied and when.

Edit: I hope this makes sense, I'm on my phone and in a rush.
 

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Do you train Aikido with other arts to make it work on the streets?
It works in the street the same way it works in a dojo.




....in both locations you need a cooperative uke
 

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