Advice for hard punching with minimal padding, and still avoid ripping knuckle skin?

[Sammy Naur]

Once again, you do you.

No, Let's talk about you.

You clearly have no full contact experience, but are lecturing me. Twice in a row.

So, I'm wondering where this thread went into the weed of makiwara, and people don't see the need for fist wraps, tape, gloves, etc.

See, this conversation was about hitting things with your bare hands. Something Martial artists from antiquity learned not to do lightly.

Here's something I've noticed: quite a few of you have never hit a human being in your entire lives. But, a good portion of it has been spent writing posts about it and pontificating on it.

 

[Sammy Naur]

@isshinryuronin

I've noticed you are one of the worst sources on MartialTalk when it comes to full contact training.

Especially given this topic, which I hold dear, being an experienced boxer, wrestler, and judoka.

This thread is up there in absurdity with the posts claiming that training in water makes people slower...

I hope you understand where I'm coming from. I have hit a lot of people and, and I've been hit hard.

So, the average "Okinawa", "TKD guy" junk doesn't carry much weight with me. And age definitely not.

 

[Sammy Naur]

Tell that to a TKD guy who breaks 3 or 4 boards as part of their regular training, or an Okinawan guy who punches a rope-wrapped reinforced 2x4 a hundred times. I think these things are at least as hard as a human rib or face. But yeah, you're right, most people not training this way would have a risk of injury.

I still hope you were just busting my chops with this post.

I haven't forgotten.

"TKS guy", "Okinawan guy"....I really do want to believe this is your sense of humor.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

You're admitting to having no real boxing or full contact martial arts experience.

That's fine and fair. But you would be laughed out of a Thai boxing gym

We've hit an impasse here between people who actually have fought for real, who tape and wrap and wear protection. and those who just blab about it into old age..

Ok. I’m not a fighter, and I have never claimed to be, here or anywhere. I’m a hobbyist at best. I think you may have confused me with the people who jerk themselves off over how tough they think they are. Anyone can be brought to heel, anyone at all.

 

[Sammy Naur]

Ok. I’m not a fighter, and I have never claimed to be, here or anywhere. I’m a hobbyist at best. I think you may have confused me with the people who jerk themselves off over how tough they think they are. Anyone can be brought to heel, anyone at all.

Fair enough sir.

That's why I think the whole "I never tape or wrap" stuff falls flat on my ears. It's important to protect your hands, wrists, fingers...striking 101. Vs. all of this "my fists are made of iron!" stuff. The combat athletes just know better.

I gifted a pair of my boxing wraps to a young kid the other day who is training boxing. I told him those wraps were battle tested, and it was the truth.

I bled in them. Those were my black pair, I have red ones too.

 

[isshinryuronin]

for those of us who actually box and wrestle, there is often a bit of blood involved.

Those are nice sports.

I get tradition but no, makiwara is not an effective training tool

Is jumping rope an effective training tool? My granddaughters are very good at it but can't fight worth a lick. Obviously, an ineffective training tool. It seems boxers train at it purely out of tradition. But, hey, it's 2025,

You seem very authoritative on the subject. How long did you actually train on the makiwara before coming to the conclusion it's not effective? Or are you basing your statement purely on your lack of experience and understanding of it?

except to strip mall black belts.

Very few "strip mall" schools (aka McDojos) train on makiwara.

 

[Prince_Alarming]

In fact, a lot of them don't even know what a makiwara is.

 

[Prince_Alarming]

I should probably point out that I'm not a full contact fighter either. At my age my most dangerous enemies are high blood pressure and tobacco. I think that's fine though. Karate, notoriously, is for everyone.

 

[Badhabits]

Wraps and gloves aside, why is a heavy bag a good training tool but makiwara is not? They're both just something to hit. Honestly curious here.....

 

[Flying Crane]

No, Let's talk about you.

You clearly have no full contact experience, but are lecturing me. Twice in a row.

So, I'm wondering where this thread went into the weed of makiwara, and people don't see the need for fist wraps, tape, gloves, etc.

See, this conversation was about hitting things with your bare hands. Something Martial artists from antiquity learned not to do lightly.

Here's something I've noticed: quite a few of you have never hit a human being in your entire lives. But, a good portion of it has been spent writing posts about it and pontificating on it.

No, really, I’m not lecturing you. I think you should do what you feel is beneficial for your training. I really have no interest in trying to convince you of anything. You have convinced me of the futility in that.

You do you. I’ll do me.

 

[Flying Crane]

I think you're being obtuse here, and still giving away the fact that you don't train in a full contact setting.

I’ve never claimed that I did. No secret there.

 

[drop bear]

Wraps and gloves aside, why is a heavy bag a good training tool but makiwara is not? They're both just something to hit. Honestly curious here.....

A makiwara is too specialised. So you get a lot less bang for buck.

 

[Badhabits]

A makiwara is too specialised. So you get a lot less bang for buck.

Thats true. If I was forced to pick between makiwara and heavy bag for the rest of my life it would be the heavy bag hands down. If forced to choose between heavy bag and double end bag it would probably be the double end. But it's basically being said the makiwara isn't worth any time. I have a heavy bag, makiwara and double end bag in the same area and have consistently had those three items since my teens. At home training sessions, there is a rotation and back and forth between the three. They affect your body differently, each is good for its own thing. I can understand someone saying the makiwara isn't worth their time. But saying it has no benefits, I don't get. the question sort of comes down to this for me- types of equipment aside- would a person be better off just hitting air all the time, or being able to hit something?

 

[Yokozuna514]

A makiwara is too specialised. So you get a lot less bang for buck.

Makiwara is a specialised training tool and it takes years of proper training to see the benefits. Look at the hands of anyone that has used it properly in their training. No doubt in my mind it is going to suck to eat a punch if it lands.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Fair enough sir.

That's why I think the whole "I never tape or wrap" stuff falls flat on my ears. It's important to protect your hands, wrists, fingers...striking 101. Vs. all of this "my fists are made of iron!" stuff. The combat athletes just know better.

I gifted a pair of my boxing wraps to a young kid the other day who is training boxing. I told him those wraps were battle tested, and it was the truth.

I bled in them. Those were my black pair, I have red ones too.

I don’t know anything about your background beyond what you say here. You talk like you know mine. These gloves didn’t get in this condition by themselves.

 

[jks9199]

Wow,
Things seem to getting mighty tense here. Let's try to remember that we lose inflection and tone in text, so it's easy for something said to be misunderstood. I'd hate for folks to be too thin skinned in a thread like thos...

 

[Prince_Alarming]

Hear me out here though, the makiwara has certain technical advantages in that it allows you to practice, specifically, the punching motion in isolation so that the 'groove' gets 'greased"