A matter of perspective - taijiquan

[Same Trick59 10]

Here is the problem. Some Taiji people put physical limitation on themselves such as "knee should not pass toes". When you get low, sometime your knee has to pass your toes.

Combat and health sometime don't go together. When someone only care about health and don't care about combat, getting low will have no meaning for them.

In this picture, his right knee passes his toes.

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In this picture, his left knee also passes his toes.

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The matter on/when/where knee should or shouldn’t pass the knee is a matter of logic application in mind of a specific posture, if it’s logic it’s healthy

 

[Kung Fu Wang114 144]

The matter on/when/where knee should or shouldn’t pass the knee is a matter of logic application in mind of a specific posture, if it’s logic it’s healthy

The problem is when the majority of people who only care about health, they think those people who care about application are all doing wrong (such as knee pass foot, head bend down, eyes don't follow hand, ...

What's wrong in this video?

For those who

- only care about health and don't care about application, there is nothing wrong in this video. The believe eyes should follow hand.
- care about health and also care about application, the problem is very noticeable. If your opponent stands in front of you, you control his arm and attack his face, you should not turn your head away from your opponent while you are doing that. They believe eyes should focus on opponent.

In this Chang Taiji video at 1.02 - 1.08, you can see the head is not turning away.

 

[HoffmanBot3k]

Ok, that tells me we're on different pages regards mind/intent and 'the way' I experienced applying it to the development of taijiquan - read; neuroplasticity and motor imagery, among other mind/intent 'excursions'.

Yeah, almost hard wired - kinda like the Moro Reflex and Tonic Neck Reflex.



Cool

A matter of perspective, I suppose. I share my perspective in my own words, as imprecisely as I please. That way, I don't need to co-opt and/or regurgitate someone else's perspective, but if that's working for you then carry on.

So long, Bot

I'm done with this thread, so I invite you to PM me if you have more to say. Best regards.

 

[HoffmanBot3k]

??? I've got some pics of my grandkids, but nothing like what you're asking for, for some reason. I'm not a student of neural cognitive psychology, just a simple martial artist.

His "conceptual framework" seems another way to say "context." Like in seeing a static stance and judging its value. Hard to do if one doesn't know in what context (how it fits into the fighting system) it's being used. And how well we can judge a TMA element depends on what Malle calls "epistemic access", which seems a fancy way to describe how info is acquired. Experience is one of those sources. Beyond these things, that were touched upon in my post, nothing you're talking about (and likely making little sense to most all of us as we don't have the "conceptual framework") has anything to do with the general subject in this thread. Perhaps you should be on another chat site. I encourage you to look for other places to post.

I'm discussing the physical considerations of stances.

Ditto.

I'm done with this thread, so I invite you to PM me if you have more to say. Best regards.

 

[_Simon_113 144]

I think we can rightfully say for this thread

 

[Xue Sheng107 24]

Well, Xue Sheng seems to think so when they wrote:

Don't you just hate it when historical facts get in the way

 

[Wing Woo Gar49 10]

Tai Chi Chuan is a Taoist art, you do know that, so why try to apply Buddhist sutra to the practice? Why are your responses so haughty? You write very well, but I cannot but wonder how well you can perform the thing you speak about since you tend to insult and demean those you seek to edify.

 

[Wing Woo Gar49 10]

I'm done with this thread, so I invite you to PM me if you have more to say. Best regards.

 

[Xue Sheng107 24]

Here is a bit of irony about the statements made by my shifu "Chen to low" and Chen Zhenglei "Yang to high"

This is my lineage.... my teacher was a student of Tung Ying Chieh and a good friend of Tung Hu Ling

Chen Zhenglei

 

[HoffmanBot3k]

Tai Chi Chuan is a Taoist art, you do know that, so why try to apply Buddhist sutra to the practice? Why are your responses so haughty? You write very well, but I cannot but wonder how well you can perform the thing you speak about since you tend to insult and demean those you seek to edify.

Looking real good there Wing.
If you care to talk on these subjects, I invite you to PM me.
I am through here.

 

[Prince_Alarming114 144]

The 'knees not past your feet' thing is present in modern western gym instruction too, but it's kinda of a piece with not going to lockout in that it's not really followed and may not actually even be true. In advanced stretches like the cossak squat it's more or less inevitable that your feet will go past your knees.

 

[Gerry Seymour2 1]

According to Freud, we all have egos, egos that are tossed between morality and sheer Darwinian need. So, it's pointless to say that I have an ego thereby.

Your thread begins with a question of perceptions; however, you err when you make a statement that says "due to the years spent training, and due to age, all perceptions are thereby correct," or as you put it, "But from each persons perspective, based on their years of training, they are all correct." What you desire to do is argue that "perspective" or one's encounter with qualia is a universal qualia. However, as modern cognitive science tells us, one's experience cannot be mapped via a neuronal pattern; therefore, experience as the Buddhist "Jin Gang Sutra" teaches, is quite empty.

You sound like you are trying to put as much obfuscation as possible in your posts to sound more knowledgeable.

 

[HoffmanBot3k]

You sound like you are trying to put as much obfuscation as possible in your posts to sound more knowledgeable.

Sounds real good there MT. My research is done, article written, so you can still reach me on PM. Have a real good one.

 

[Xue Sheng107 24]

Sounds real good there MT. My research is done, article written, so you can still reach me on PM. Have a real good one.

I know I said I would not respond to any of your posts again....

Looking real good there Wing.
If you care to talk on these subjects, I invite you to PM me.
I am through here.

I'm done with this thread, so I invite you to PM me if you have more to say. Best regards.

Now, if you are quite done, and since I am not being paid to tutor you, I would like to "bye, bye now."

But how many times are you going to say you're done or leaving, before you actually go. Just leave....

So are you actually Hoffman, or are you just using his likeness and impersonating him.... does he know?

There is a Chinese Idiom that covers your input to this thread, that you misrepresented in your blog, rather well (画蛇添足 huà shé tiān zú) Drawing Legs on a Snake

现在，请走开
Xiànzài, qǐng zǒu kāi

and since I want to follow MT Rules
Translation.... Now, please go away

 

[Kung Fu Wang114 144]

Here is a bit of irony about the statements made by my shifu "Chen to low" and Chen Zhenglei "Yang to high"

Many years ago, a good friend of mine went to Chen Village to study Chen Taiji. She did come back US with bad knee. Just try to remind people who trains Chen Taiji and be careful.

 

[Same Trick59 10]

Sounds real good there MT. My research is done, article written, so you can still reach me on PM. Have a real good one.

oops my clumsy scrolling thumb put a thumbs up( )toward that your post, sorry for that!

 

[Prince_Alarming114 144]

Ah, new I had an article somewhere

Is It Safe For Knees To Pass Toes During A Squat — Physio Network

One of the biggest training myths out there is that the knees shouldn’t travel forward past the toes during a squat, otherwise your knees will explode… or

www.physio-network.com

 

[HoffmanBot3k]

Folks, the OP's wishes are something I honor, however, when amygdalas jangle, people post. Note, I found a better forum, so I will not be porting back here to answer any questions. All my best.

 

[Wing Woo Gar49 10]

Folks, the OP's wishes are something I honor, however, when amygdalas jangle, people post. Note, I found a better forum, so I will not be porting back here to answer any questions. All my best.

Don’t let the door hit you where the dog should of bit you.

 

[Flying Crane]

Why come to a discussion forum and then insist on carrying on all discussions through private messaging?