8/12 hard and soft mantis techniques

[mantis]

does anyone know the 8/12 hard/soft techniques of mantis fist?
i vaguely remember my teacher talked about them when i first start, and now i cant find material on them...
im sure 7starMantis knows a lot about them

 

[mantisfgtr]

8 hard ways
1. Striking downward on the opponents head.
2. Punch straight to the opponents face.
3. Employ double palm strike with forward motion after redirecting or avoiding the attack.
4. Cross opponents arms at embow to lock and throw
5. Lean bodyweight against opponent and use infighting tactics
6. Employ a hard striking fist in an upward or downward motion
7. Sidestep to an opponents flank and use a roundhouse punch.
8. Grapple and throw an opponent.

12 Soft ways
1. withdraw hands when encountering a rigid movement by opponent.
2. After contact with opponents blocking arm, circle around and strike straight inward.
3. After contact with opponents blocking arm, trap it away with opposite hand, circle around it and strike straight forward.
4. reirect opponents arm downward and strike inward with the same hand using a circular motion.
5. After your straight strike is blocked by an opponents arm, hook and control using diau.
6. Move in and strike after a redirective slap block of an opponents strike.
7. Move in and strike after an opponents strike is controlled with diau.
8. Redirect or evade an opponents strike and attack from flank
9. Redirect opponents strike and strike forward with double palm.
10. redirect opponents strike upward and strike in with same hand.
11. Counter strike over an opponents striking arm.
12. Trap and strike after arm grab by opponent

I hope this helps...

 

[mantis]

8 hard ways
1. Striking downward on the opponents head.
2. Punch straight to the opponents face.
3. Employ double palm strike with forward motion after redirecting or avoiding the attack.
4. Cross opponents arms at embow to lock and throw
5. Lean bodyweight against opponent and use infighting tactics
6. Employ a hard striking fist in an upward or downward motion
7. Sidestep to an opponents flank and use a roundhouse punch.
8. Grapple and throw an opponent.

12 Soft ways
1. withdraw hands when encountering a rigid movement by opponent.
2. After contact with opponents blocking arm, circle around and strike straight inward.
3. After contact with opponents blocking arm, trap it away with opposite hand, circle around it and strike straight forward.
4. reirect opponents arm downward and strike inward with the same hand using a circular motion.
5. After your straight strike is blocked by an opponents arm, hook and control using diau.
6. Move in and strike after a redirective slap block of an opponents strike.
7. Move in and strike after an opponents strike is controlled with diau.
8. Redirect or evade an opponents strike and attack from flank
9. Redirect opponents strike and strike forward with double palm.
10. redirect opponents strike upward and strike in with same hand.
11. Counter strike over an opponents striking arm.
12. Trap and strike after arm grab by opponent

I hope this helps...

you hope this helps?
that's it.. this is all i need!
thanks

 

[7starmantis]

I would like to remind that from lineage to lineage or family to family, your going to see variations in these principles. Some ommit or add while others dont.

7sm

 

[mantis]

I would like to remind that from lineage to lineage or family to family, your going to see variations in these principles. Some ommit or add while others dont.

7sm

since we kind of go to the same school I assume we have the same lineage, right?
oh, it's awesome to have someone from your school but actually knowledgeable!
so is this the same for us?

 

[7starmantis]

since we kind of go to the same school I assume we have the same lineage, right?
oh, it's awesome to have someone from your school but actually knowledgeable!
so is this the same for us?

Yes, we have the same lineage. You sifu and my sifu learned from the same person. In fact, your sifu and my sifu grew up together since they were like 9 years old.

No, this list is different from the one we list.

7sm

 

[jfarnsworth]

Hey, btw. Did that book come out yet? I want to get it and add to my collection.

 

[mantisfgtr]

i believe lee kam wing lists them in his book as well, however they are slightly different than what I learned.

jfarnsworth-what book are you referring to, and what part of ohio are you in?

 

[jfarnsworth]

jfarnsworth-what book are you referring to, and what part of ohio are you in?

The book I was referring to... 7sm mantis mentioned a couple of months ago his instructor (I thought his instructor) was putting out a book with principles in it. I can't remember the exact thread but he and I discussed different things in that particular thread. I wondered if it came out yet. :asian:

Oh,
I'm a little south of Mansfield.

 

[mantis]

The book I was referring to... 7sm mantis mentioned a couple of months ago his instructor (I thought his instructor) was putting out a book with principles in it. I can't remember the exact thread but he and I discussed different things in that particular thread. I wondered if it came out yet. :asian:

Oh,
I'm a little south of Mansfield.

i believe this is the one (if it's his instructor)
http://www.ntkfe.com/open.html
or it could be this book (not a new one though, but good one)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...3?v=glance&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance
by Lee Kam Wing

 

[jfarnsworth]

i believe this is the one (if it's his instructor)
http://www.ntkfe.com/open.html

That was the book I was thinking of. I dont' want to put words in 7sm mouth but maybe that was his instructor's instructor. It was one or the other I believe. :asian:

 

[jfarnsworth]

The figure on the front of the book... is that a general stance in your system? If so what is the stance called? :asian:

 

[mantis]

The figure on the front of the book... is that a general stance in your system? If so what is the stance called? :asian:

it's called the "tiger ride stance"!

 

[mantisfgtr]

not trying to be argumentative but thats not a 7* stance. That is a tiger riding or cat stance with the hand position being intercept hands.

7* stance Sits down on the rear leg and points the toes of the other leg upward and inward with that respective leg straight.

 

[mantisfgtr]

I believe after looking at the photo of the book again, the posture is mantis catches a cidada....

 

[jfarnsworth]

not trying to be argumentative but thats not a 7* stance. That is a tiger riding or cat stance with the hand position being intercept hands. .

I was going to ask if it was a deep cat stance. However with the hand positioning I didn't want to assume.

The hand position a neutral position or a fighting position?

 

[mantis]

I believe after looking at the photo of the book again, the posture is mantis catches a cidada....

well apparently you know better!
the way he stands looks like a tiger-ride to me!
maybe we can as 7starmantis later
haha

 

[mantis]

. (sorry.. this post is a mistake, dunno how to delete it)

 

[7starmantis]

well apparently you know better!
the way he stands looks like a tiger-ride to me!
maybe we can as 7starmantis later
haha

Wow, somehow I missed this thread for a while, sorry guys. Yes his posture is the "Mantis Catches Cicada" which uses a cat stance or Tiger riding stance. Cat and Tiger Riding are the same thing. I believe "Cat Stance" is more of a wah lum term while "Tiger Riding" would be more 7*.

Mantisfighter was correct, that is not 7 Star Stance specifically, but is a stance of the 7* system. Seven Star Stance itself has the front foot on the heel not the toe.


7sm

 

[jfarnsworth]

I wondered where you were .

The posture on the book cover, is that a typical fighting stance or just "A" stance? When sparring do you mantis people spar like everyone else or attempt to create your basic hand positions and such? That particular stance would seem a little odd for fighting unless maybe it's defensive whereas you could block, parry, and/or strike from there.

Tryin' to keep conversation.